2 Feb
2003
2 Feb
'03
7:46 p.m.
Some of us are using very slow dial-up connections with even
more cumbersome web interfaces. The occasional off-topic post
is OK but this has gone way too far. I've gotten three additional
"pages"
of mail headers due to this thread-just today.
-----Original Message-----
From: Sellam Ismail
Sent: Sun 2/2/2003 10:42 PM
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Cc:
Subject: Re: Columbia
On Sun, 2 Feb 2003, Eric Dittman wrote:
Southwest Airlines is an airline, not airliner. He was asking
for a model of passenger airplane.
Got it. But they still have the best commercial record of any (US-based
at least) airline ;)
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer
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> > ...for that matter, only 2 complete
craft/crew losses for the
shuttle
> > program in over 20 years; and including
these, only *3* complete
craft/crew
> > losses in a space program that's run for
nearly 35 years? That's
still a
> > damned good record in anyone's book,
regardless of what the
detractors may
> > say... Name me an aircraft or series of
aircraft who can make
the same
> > claim. (Noogies for the person who can name
the *1* airliner that
comes
closest to beating this record...)
Southwest Airlines. 
2 Feb
2 Feb
8:03 p.m.
New subject: Paging John Willis!
John:
I've seen recent CCtalk etc activity from you from
multiple email addresses, and am wondering why you've
not yet responded to my earlier requests for
information concerning payment for that SCSI CDROM
drive I sent you back in November.
Tho I'm sure there is some decent explanation, I think
by now there would have been a reply of some kind
about that hardware.
Please respond soon,
Frank
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Phone: 540.947.5364 Email: msspcva(a)yahoo.com
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8:50 p.m.
Hi John,
I'm with you...
I think that these people forget that every member of CCtalk get's these
off-topic things.
The solution for them who wants to go on with this off-topic non-sence is to
mail each other or to use ICQ.
Why bother other people ?
Michel
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]Namens John Willis
Verzonden: maandag 3 februari 2003 7:43
Aan: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Onderwerp: RE: Columbia - THIS THREAD MUST DIE
Some of us are using very slow dial-up connections with even
more cumbersome web interfaces. The occasional off-topic post
is OK but this has gone way too far. I've gotten three additional
"pages"
of mail headers due to this thread-just today.
-----Original Message-----
From: Sellam Ismail
Sent: Sun 2/2/2003 10:42 PM
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Cc:
Subject: Re: Columbia
http://www.vintage.org
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3 Feb
3 Feb
4:11 a.m.
Hi John,
I'm with you...
I think that these people forget that every member of CCtalk get's these
off-topic things.
The solution for them who wants to go on with this off-topic non-sence is to
mail each other or to use ICQ.
Why bother other people ?
Michel
The last time I'd read about the issue, cc-talk IS for "off-topic"
stuff.
g.
4:17 a.m.
New subject: ADMIN Re: Columbia - THIS THREAD MUST DIE
The last time I'd read about the issue, cc-talk IS
for "off-topic" stuff.
I wouldn't go THAT far. cc-talk isn't the completely "off-topic free
zone"
that cc-tech is. However, we still don't want to get TOO terribly far off.
This thread has.
Jay West
4:57 a.m.
New subject: ADMIN Re: Columbia - THIS THREAD MUST DIE
The last time
I'd read about the issue, cc-talk IS for "off-topic" stuff.
I wouldn't go THAT far. cc-talk isn't the completely "off-topic free
zone"
that cc-tech is. However, we still don't want to get TOO terribly far off.
This thread has.
6:56 a.m.
On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Computermuseum wrote:
I'm with you...
I think that these people forget that every member of CCtalk get's these
off-topic things.
The solution for them who wants to go on with this off-topic non-sence is to
mail each other or to use ICQ.
Why bother other people ?
I hate to burst the bubble of the relative newbies, but this war over
on/off-topic messages has been going on as long as the list has been in
effect.
We had one (supposed) final argument over this several months ago whereby
the solution was to create two lists: cctalk and cctech.
On cctalk, anything can be discussed. There is no such thing as
"off-topic".
cctech, on the other hand, is moderated. You only get posts that are
on-topic.
As much as I hated the idea, I stuck with cctalk because I would rather
control what I filter. And although I try (and sometimes fail) to keep my
postings on topic, I almost always try to precede the message header with
"OT" as a warning. I think for the most part it has worked, if anything
to give the folks who just don't want off-topic banter to intrude on their
classic computing an alternative. I think folks can use a little more
self-control at times, but at any rate there is always cctech.
If you do not want to participate in off-topic postings, might I suggest
you unsubscribe from cctalk and re-subscribe to cctech?
This is all been explained in the FAQ, and should have been explained to
you when you signed up as well.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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7:15 a.m.
New subject: (OT) Hope everything is over now
look who's talking?...
I hate to say as a newbie... to someone who's already a long time here...
there are other solutions to discuss other things than were this mailinglist
was intend to be.
ICQ...
Michel
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]Namens Sellam Ismail
Verzonden: maandag 3 februari 2003 18:50
Aan: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Onderwerp: RE: Columbia - THIS THREAD MUST DIE
On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Computermuseum wrote:
I'm with you...
I think that these people forget that every member of CCtalk get's these
off-topic things.
The solution for them who wants to go on with this off-topic non-sence is
to
mail each other or to use ICQ.
Why bother other people ?
I hate to burst the bubble of the relative newbies, but this war over
on/off-topic messages has been going on as long as the list has been in
effect.
We had one (supposed) final argument over this several months ago whereby
the solution was to create two lists: cctalk and cctech.
On cctalk, anything can be discussed. There is no such thing as
"off-topic".
cctech, on the other hand, is moderated. You only get posts that are
on-topic.
As much as I hated the idea, I stuck with cctalk because I would rather
control what I filter. And although I try (and sometimes fail) to keep my
postings on topic, I almost always try to precede the message header with
"OT" as a warning. I think for the most part it has worked, if anything
to give the folks who just don't want off-topic banter to intrude on their
classic computing an alternative. I think folks can use a little more
self-control at times, but at any rate there is always cctech.
If you do not want to participate in off-topic postings, might I suggest
you unsubscribe from cctalk and re-subscribe to cctech?
This is all been explained in the FAQ, and should have been explained to
you when you signed up as well.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer
Festival
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9:19 a.m.
New subject: (OT) Hope everything is over now
On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Computermuseum wrote:
I hate to say as a newbie... to someone who's
already a long time
here... there are other solutions to discuss other things than were this
mailinglist was intend to be.
Er, I don't think you fully understood the point of my message.
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7:28 a.m.
But the absolutley most OFF-TOPIC post of all, is sending an UNSUBSCRIBE
message to the list. Everybody makes mistakes. But doing that TWICE
invalidates one's rights to gripe about off-topic posts.
The second most OFF-TOPIC topic is discusssion of stuff being off-topic.
Followed even further down the list by Columbia (current news topic), and
what computers it used.
Time to return to discussions of guns and automobiles!
Did "Computermuseum" even KNOW about cctech?
On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Computermuseum wrote:
Hi John,
I'm with you...
I think that these people forget that every member of CCtalk get's these
off-topic things.
The solution for them who wants to go on with this off-topic non-sence is to
mail each other or to use ICQ.
Why bother other people ?
Michel
7:44 a.m.
New subject: (OT) Columbia - THIS THREAD MUST DIE (OT)
See below
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]Namens Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)
Verzonden: maandag 3 februari 2003 19:25
Aan: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Onderwerp: RE: Columbia - THIS THREAD MUST DIE
The second most OFF-TOPIC topic is discusssion of stuff being off-topic.
(HERE YOU GO AGAIN...... YOU... YOU... AGAIN.. AGAIN... PLEASE STOP THIS
DISCUSIION)
Followed even further down the list by Columbia (current news topic), and
what computers it used.
Time to return to discussions of guns and automobiles!
Did "Computermuseum" even KNOW about cctech?
3:52 a.m.
New subject: ON/OFF topic (was:THIS THREAD MUST DIE)
Some of us are using very slow dial-up connections
with even
more cumbersome web interfaces. The occasional off-topic post
is OK but this has gone way too far. I've gotten three additional
"pages" of mail headers due to this thread-just today.
Err... So why do you then quote the whole previous post?
Serious, we had enough of this on off topic discusion. There's
CCTECH for all who want strict tech orientation, and CCTALK for
the rest of us.
There's basicly only one thing OFF topic on CCTALK, and that
are mails about ON/OFF topic discusions. I didn't liek the
split up. but now it is, and we should stay with this solution.
Gruss
H.
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8:29 a.m.
Actually Columbia was nearly 30 years old. Since it was also a heavily
computerized piece of equipment, it clearly falls within the Classiccmp
realm. It is also natural to want to discuss something tragic like
this with a community of people you're used to.
On Sunday, February 2, 2003, at 11:43 PM, John Willis wrote:
Some of us are using very slow dial-up connections
with even
more cumbersome web interfaces. The occasional off-topic post
is OK but this has gone way too far. I've gotten three additional
"pages"
of mail headers due to this thread-just today.
-----Original Message-----
From: Sellam Ismail
Sent: Sun 2/2/2003 10:42 PM
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Cc:
Subject: Re: Columbia
On Sun, 2 Feb 2003, Eric Dittman wrote:
Southwest Airlines is an airline, not airliner. He was asking
for a model of passenger airplane.
Got it. But they still have the best commercial record of any
(US-based
at least) airline ;)
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer
Festival
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>> ...for that matter, only 2 complete
craft/crew losses for the
shuttle
>> program in over 20 years; and including
these, only *3* complete
craft/crew
>> losses in a space program that's run
for nearly 35 years? That's
still a
>> damned good record in anyone's book,
regardless of what the
detractors may
>> say... Name me an aircraft or series of
aircraft who can make
the same
>> claim. (Noogies for the person who can
name the *1* airliner that
comes
closest to beating this record...)
Southwest Airlines.
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