5 Nov
1997
5 Nov
'97
9:25 a.m.
some guy i bought a mac video card from said he had something called an
apollo workstation. he said it was a 68020/68030 with a 19 inch monitor, can
run *nix, and would only want ~$50 for it. anyone heard of this machine or
know anything about it? he said some local colleges used the machines for
various duties but are obsolete now.
david
5 Nov
5 Nov
9:46 a.m.
Due to massive amounts of caffeine & sleep deprivation, SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com said:
some guy i bought a mac video card from said he had
something called an
apollo workstation. he said it was a 68020/68030 with a 19 inch monitor, can
run *nix, and would only want ~$50 for it. anyone heard of this machine or
know anything about it? he said some local colleges used the machines for
various duties but are obsolete now.
Uh, how many's he got, and can I get one??? I would like to have something
like that.... if there's only one, I'd recommend you jump on it --
especially if it comes with the monitor at that price. That would be a nice
system to learn / use Unix on.
If he's got bunches, please let me know where to pick one up!
Thanks,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
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11:03 a.m.
especially if it comes with the monitor at that price.
That would be a nice
system to learn / use Unix on.
Uh.. not really.
An Apollo could be anywhere from not much like UNIX at all to vaguely
resembling UNIX, depending on how much and which parts of the OS are
installed.
This isn't to say it's not an interesting machine (it is, in a really
crusty sort of way) but you can do way better with an old Sun 3/xx (or
even SPARC 1) for that price, if you want a UNIX box to learn/hack on.
ok
-r
1:08 p.m.
It was thus said that the Great SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com once stated:
some guy i bought a mac video card from said he had something called an
apollo workstation. he said it was a 68020/68030 with a 19 inch monitor, can
run *nix, and would only want ~$50 for it. anyone heard of this machine or
know anything about it? he said some local colleges used the machines for
various duties but are obsolete now.
Is it an Apollo Apollo or an HP Apollo? Because there is a difference,
namely in what OS the machine may be able to run. HP bought out Apollo some
time ago, but kept producing the Apollos for some time. They're not bad
machines, but the Apollo Apollo ran an OS called DomainOS. It's nice, but
almost, but not quite entirely unlike Unix.
The HP Apollos can run DomainOS, HP-UX (up to 9.x I think), and one fo the
free BSD kernels. Make sure it comes with an OS, unless you want to have
some fun in tracking down an OS for it.
I myself came into posession of two HP Apollo 400s recently (they were
free from the local university). Nice boxes, 25Mhz 68040, 32M RAM, ~800M
harddrives, 6M video, 20" color monitor, ethernet and token ring network but
no OS (although I have a friend that has access to an OS it can run).
The bad thing about the boxes I got (other than the serious lack of OS) is
that the memory is very proprietary so I'm pretty much stuck with 32M RAM in
each (not that I'm complaining).
-spc (But I didn't mention them because I don't think they're older than
10 years - and no one wants them because they're not Suns (boo hiss)
or Wintel (boo hiss boo hiss))
david
2:07 p.m.
The HP Apollos can run DomainOS, HP-UX (up to 9.x I
think), and one fo the
free BSD kernels. Make sure it comes with an OS, unless you want to have
some fun in tracking down an OS for it.
I have an HP Apollo DN5500, which is only able to run DomainOS, but does
have BSD and SysV 'flavours' in addition to the standard 'Aegis'
environment.
The only HP Apollo systems that will run either DomainOS or HP-UX (up to
9.x, you're right) are the 400 series. Switching from one to the other
requires changing the keyboard as well as, of course, the OS and software.
There is a very limited amount of hardware that the Apollo DN series
machines will accept, even though the hardware design might lead you to
believe you have a wider choice. It is limited by OS support. For
example, while most later models will allow you to install a SCSI
controller, the machine will only boot from an ESDI disk. The older 8000
series colour monitors have notoriously bad pictures, as well. q:
The 400 series Apollos are much better in this respect.
Agreed on the tracking an OS down; it's a bear for either DomainOS or
HP-UX.
ethernet and token ring network
You should be aware that this is NOT the same as IBM's Token Ring. It is a
different media, a different topology, and a different protocol.
I'm by no means an Apollo expert, but I've spent about a year now fighting
my DN5500 trying to get it into a usable state, searching for any resource
that might possibly help---so I've got a nice pile of info stacked up
here on Apollos in general.
ok
-r
6 Nov
6 Nov
5:20 p.m.
> The HP Apollos can run DomainOS, HP-UX (up to
9.x I think), and one fo the
> free BSD kernels. Make sure it comes with an OS, unless you want to have
> some fun in tracking down an OS for it.
If someone could point me towards DomainOS for the 10000, I would be very
happy.
William Donzelli
william(a)ans.net
5 Nov
5 Nov
3:34 p.m.
some guy i bought a mac video card from said he had
something called an
apollo workstation. he said it was a 68020/68030 with a 19 inch monitor, can
run *nix, and would only want ~$50 for it. anyone heard of this machine or
know anything about it? he said some local colleges used the machines for
various duties but are obsolete now.
I know this much, they're big. I mean like really big. Seriously I had a
chance recently to snag one for $5, but had to pass on it because at the
time I didn't have anywhere to put it. You had best have something very
sturdy to put the monitor on. Might be pretty cool to play with. They
were something of a big thing in some circles years ago.
BTW when I say big, I mean realitively. The CPU wasn't that bad, just the
monitor :^) I've only room for one monitor that size at this time, and I'm
using it.
Zane
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6 Nov
6 Nov
7:03 a.m.
Hey! I know Apollos! :)
The first system-admin task I had (1984) was to admin a network of Apollo
workstations we used for CAD. As others have mentioned, The Apollo OS
(Aegis) is not Unix, but it's pretty similar to a user. (Though not to an
admin...)
The windowing system Apollo used was NOT X-windows, though the later
machines had X, I suppose. They were nice machines for their day and they
were the only platform at the time for "MENTOR Graphics" Chip and circuit
board design tools.
Unfortunately Mentor had a nasty habit of burning the hardware bridges
behind their customers. Every significant new release would require the
latest hardware and would not run on the old machines! So lots of Apollos
wound up in dumpsters.
Apollo also had the SONY-betamax, Apple-mac disease... (We're the best, so
we'll make everything proprietary and make a fortune... yeah right! ;)
Bjorn Eng
On Wed, 5 Nov
1997, Zane H. Healy wrote:
some guy i
bought a mac video card from said he had something called an
apollo workstation. he said it was a 68020/68030 with a 19 inch monitor, can
run *nix, and would only want ~$50 for it. anyone heard of this machine or
know anything about it? he said some local colleges used the machines for
various duties but are obsolete now.
8 Nov
8 Nov
12:53 p.m.
Bjorn T. Eng wrote:
Hey! I know Apollos! :)
The first system-admin task I had (1984) was to admin a network of Apollo
workstations we used for CAD. As others have mentioned, The Apollo OS
(Aegis) is not Unix, but it's pretty similar to a user. (Though not to an
admin...)
Even when two operating systems are officially Unix, they're not very
similar to a sysadmin. Those are the tools and commands that vary the
most from one vendor to another and even from one release to another
from one vendor as anybody who had to go from Solaris
2.4 to 2.5 can
attest.
--
Ward Griffiths
"Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the
entrails
of the last priest." [Denis Diderot, "Dithyrambe sur la fete de rois"]
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