6 Jan
2003
6 Jan
'03
10:06 a.m.
I've been
wondering, ever since I got it a few years ago, what my
PDT-11/150 would go for on eBay.
Same here... I've got a few with the EIS/FIS chip in them, maybe
that qualifies them for 'L@@K, R@RE' :-)
Megan 
7 Jan
7 Jan
1:25 a.m.
Just being a
PDT-11/150 qualifies them as 'L@@K, R@RE' :^) Having the
EIS/FIS chip should qualify them as 'L@@K, ULTR@ R@RE'.
Hmm, how would you qualify a CIS chip then? 
4:17 a.m.
New subject: Chip Upgrades for 11/23 (was Re: 11/03 system on eBay sold)
Yes, there sure was a CIS chip for the 11/23[+]. And I am still looking
for one to upgrade one of mine. I do have the FPF-11 floating point
processor board that alternately connects to the socket for the FIS
chip, I have a FIS chip in another processor board, but the sockets for
CIS are still vacant in both.
Once I get it / Should I ever get it, which languages could make use of
it? - Assembler, of course, and COBOL, I think?
Megan wrote:
I don't believe that there ever was a CIS chip for
the 11/03,02
chipset. There was one for the 11/23[+]...
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4:39 a.m.
New subject: Chip Upgrades for 11/23 (was Re: 11/03 system on eBay sold)
Cobol is the only language afaik which does use it.
My original reply was just to find out how unusual this chip is, as I have
one here. It is currently stuck on an 11/24 board, occupying socket 4 & 5.
Ed
Andreas Freiherr wrote:
Yes, there sure was a CIS chip for the 11/23[+]. And I am still looking
for one to upgrade one of mine. I do have the FPF-11 floating point
processor board that alternately connects to the socket for the FIS
chip, I have a FIS chip in another processor board, but the sockets for
CIS are still vacant in both.
Once I get it / Should I ever get it, which languages could make use of
it? - Assembler, of course, and COBOL, I think?
Megan wrote:
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I don't believe that there ever was a CIS
chip for the 11/03,02
chipset. There was one for the 11/23[+]...
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5:33 a.m.
New subject: Chip Upgrades for 11/23+
Cobol is the only language afaik which does use it.
My original reply was just to find out how unusual this chip is, as I have
one here. It is currently stuck on an 11/24 board, occupying socket 4 & 5.
So, to use that fully loaded /23+ board I've got with all the options, I
need to use Cobol... I assume at least I can use the FIS from languages
other than Cobol :^) Of course I'd have thought both the CIS and FIS could
be used from Macro-11.
Maybe I'll just stick with the /73, rather than playing with the /23+ I've
slowly been getting up and running. The /73 is in a decked out BA123, the
/23+ is in a semi-decked out BA23, and I really should stick the back BA23
in storage as we need the room.
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8 Jan
8 Jan
10:34 p.m.
New subject: Chip Upgrades for 11/23 (was Re: 11/03 system on eBay sold)
Ed,
be sure to lock your back door: I might sneak in and rip that chip from
your 11/24! ;-) - It seems to be about as common as a cache board (KK11)
for a PDP-11/34A. The latter I have (out of the only PDP-11 I ever paid
for!), but my quest for a CIS chip has not turned up anything in years.
In case you have (or can take) a picture of this chip, I'd appreciate a
link. I assume it is a fairly large ceramic base (to span the pair of
40-pin sockets) with one or more actual chips and perhaps some small
capacitors on top, somewhat similar to the /73 CPU chip, but larger?
Regards,
Andreas
The Wanderer wrote:
Cobol is the only language afaik which does use it.
My original reply was just to find out how unusual this chip is, as I have
one here. It is currently stuck on an 11/24 board, occupying socket 4 & 5.
Ed
Andreas Freiherr wrote:
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http://www.vishay.com
Yes, there sure was a CIS chip for the 11/23[+].
And I am still looking
for one to upgrade one of mine. I do have the FPF-11 floating point
processor board that alternately connects to the socket for the FIS
chip, I have a FIS chip in another processor board, but the sockets for
CIS are still vacant in both.
Once I get it / Should I ever get it, which languages could make use of
it? - Assembler, of course, and COBOL, I think?
Megan wrote:
I don't believe that there ever was a CIS chip
for the 11/03,02
chipset. There was one for the 11/23[+]...
--
Andreas Freiherr
Vishay Semiconductor GmbH, Heilbronn, Germany
http://www.vishay.com 
7 Jan
7 Jan
6:40 a.m.
New subject: Chip Upgrades for 11/23 (was Re: 11/03 system on eBay sold)
Andreas Freiherr wrote:
Yes, there sure was a CIS chip for the 11/23[+]. And I am still
looking for one to upgrade one of mine. I do have the FPF-11 floating
point processor board that alternately connects to the socket for the
FIS chip, I have a FIS chip in another processor board, but the
sockets for CIS are still vacant in both.
Once I get it / Should I ever get it, which languages could make use
of it? - Assembler, of course, and COBOL, I think?
DIBOL required it, IIRC.
Megan wrote:
I don't believe that there ever was a CIS
chip for the 11/03,02
chipset. There was one for the 11/23[+]...
7:29 a.m.
New subject: Chip Upgrades for 11/23 (was Re: 11/03 system on eBay sold)
Cobol is the only language afaik which does use it.
Thanks for clearing that up... I've not used cobol on the -11.
I figured it was like other optional instruction sets with
regards to layered products... like Basic, which comes in
the NHD (no hardware), EIS (for machines with EIS) and FPU
(for machines with FPU). The problem is when you run the EIS
or FPU version on a machine which doesn't have the required
hardware... it doesn't work. NHD will work everywhere since
the code it generates uses the basic pdp-11 instruction set.
Megan Gentry
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8:25 a.m.
New subject: Chip Upgrades for 11/23 (was Re: 11/03 system on eBay sold)
Andreas.Freiherr(a)Vishay.com wrote:
Yes, there sure was a CIS chip for the 11/23[+]. And I
am still looking
for one to upgrade one of mine.
[...]
Once I get it / Should I ever get it, which languages
could make use of
it? - Assembler, of course, and COBOL, I think?
DIBOL? Was there an actual COBOL for the 11?
2 Feb
2 Feb
3:09 p.m.
New subject: Chip Upgrades for 11/23 (was Re: 11/03 system on eBay sold)
A little more fuel for this thread: Am I right in thinking that the 11/23
and the 11/23+ use the same CPU/option chips? Can I swap chips between them?
--
Jeffrey Sharp
3:23 p.m.
New subject: Chip Upgrades for 11/23 (was Re: 11/03 system on eBay sold)
Yes, the 11/23 and 11/23+ use the same chips. The 11/24 and PRO300
series also use the DCF11 chip. I don't know if they also use the
memory management chip...
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
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7 Jan
7 Jan
7:25 a.m.
New subject: Chip Upgrades for 11/23 (was Re: 11/03 system on eBay sold)
Yes, there sure was a CIS chip for the 11/23[+]. And I
am still looking
I know... I have one (maybe two) KDF11-B boards with the CIS chip.
for one to upgrade one of mine. I do have the FPF-11
floating point
processor board that alternately connects to the socket for the FIS
chip, I have a FIS chip in another processor board, but the sockets for
CIS are still vacant in both.
It was my understanding that the EIS/FIS chip is only usable with
the 11/03 (11/2, PDT) machines (and the PDT requires the dual
microm in order to make space for it). The CIS chip is a dual-wide
chip... it spans two chip spaces on the 11/23 and 11/23+ boards.
Once I get it / Should I ever get it, which languages
could make use of
it? - Assembler, of course, and COBOL, I think?
You can always do it in assembler. As for cobol or other layered
products, you probably have to use a version which has been specifically
built to use those instructions (or can detect their availability on
the fly and use them).
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
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