11 Nov
2007
11 Nov
'07
12:33 a.m.
I picked up a Data I/O 280 programmer this weekend, without manuals or
software. According to Data I/O's webpage, it's no longer supported at
all, so they have nothing available for download/purchase/whatever.
Anyone have software/manuals/anything for this thing?
Thanks as always,
Josh
11 Nov
11 Nov
12:16 p.m.
On Nov 11, 2007, at 12:33 AM, Josh Dersch wrote:
I picked up a Data I/O 280 programmer this weekend,
without manuals
or software. According to Data I/O's webpage, it's no longer
supported at all, so they have nothing available for download/
purchase/whatever. Anyone have software/manuals/anything for this
thing?
I sold a 280 with documentation on eBay about a year ago...that's
as close as I can get. :-(
I don't recall it having been difficult to use.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
Farewell Ophelia, 9/22/1991 - 7/25/2007
4:33 p.m.
I have a 280, the operator's Manual, acceptance test procedure, Info on
a firmware update, the original device list, user notes from 12/9/85, a
field bulletin and a couple of wall charts.
joe heck
Dave McGuire wrote:
On Nov 11, 2007, at 12:33 AM, Josh Dersch wrote:
I picked up a Data I/O 280 programmer this
weekend, without manuals
or software. According to Data I/O's webpage, it's no longer
supported at all, so they have nothing available for download/
purchase/whatever. Anyone have software/manuals/anything for this
thing?
I sold a 280 with documentation on eBay about a year ago...that's as
close as I can get. :-(
I don't recall it having been difficult to use.
-Dave
12 Nov
12 Nov
1:10 a.m.
If you're looking to part with the manual, let me know.
Do eeprom programmers like this typically use a standard serial protocol
to speak to the host PC, or is it usually proprietary per manufacturer?
Anyone know what software the 280 used?
Thanks,
Josh
joe heck wrote:
I have a 280, the operator's Manual, acceptance
test procedure, Info
on a firmware update, the original device list, user notes from
12/9/85, a field bulletin and a couple of wall charts.
joe heck
Dave McGuire wrote:
On Nov 11, 2007, at 12:33 AM, Josh Dersch wrote:
I picked up a Data I/O 280 programmer this
weekend, without manuals
or software. According to Data I/O's webpage, it's no longer
supported at all, so they have nothing available for download/
purchase/whatever. Anyone have software/manuals/anything for this
thing?
I sold a 280 with documentation on eBay about a year ago...that's
as close as I can get. :-(
I don't recall it having been difficult to use.
-Dave
11:24 a.m.
On Nov 12, 2007, at 1:10 AM, Josh Dersch wrote:
If you're looking to part with the manual, let me
know.
Do eeprom programmers like this typically use a standard serial
protocol to speak to the host PC, or is it usually proprietary per
manufacturer? Anyone know what software the 280 used?
Remote control protocols are typically proprietary, but Data I/O's
protocol (at least for the UniFamily units, not sure about the 280)
is well-documented. It's important to note, however, that most
standalone device programmers are designed to be used as...standalone
units. Meaning, you control them from their keypad and display. If
they have a serial port (and most do, the 280 definitely does) then
they usually accept front-panel-initiated transfer of files (usually
binary, Intel hex, Motorola S-record, and a few others) via Xmodem/
Ymodem/etc over the serial port.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
Farewell Ophelia, 9/22/1991 - 7/25/2007
3:48 p.m.
The 280 manual has a whole chapter on terminal remote control and
computer remote control, especially command format and summary.
They recommend PromLink (tm) to operate the 280.
some of the commands are enter/exit CRC mode (computer remote control)
execute command, abort command, set nulls, set family/pinout, set begin
device address, set begin ram address, set block size, etc.
joe heck
Haven't decided if I will part with manual, but may copy some...
Dave McGuire wrote:
On Nov 12, 2007, at 1:10 AM, Josh Dersch wrote:
If you're looking to part with the manual,
let me know.
Do eeprom programmers like this typically use a standard serial
protocol to speak to the host PC, or is it usually proprietary per
manufacturer? Anyone know what software the 280 used?
Remote control protocols are typically proprietary, but Data I/O's
protocol (at least for the UniFamily units, not sure about the 280) is
well-documented. It's important to note, however, that most standalone
device programmers are designed to be used as...standalone units.
Meaning, you control them from their keypad and display. If they have
a serial port (and most do, the 280 definitely does) then they usually
accept front-panel-initiated transfer of files (usually binary, Intel
hex, Motorola S-record, and a few others) via Xmodem/ Ymodem/etc over
the serial port.
-Dave
13 Nov
13 Nov
1:37 a.m.
Excellent. I'll see if I can find a copy of PromLink to fool around
with. If you do get a chance to copy the manual, I'd love to have one :).
Thanks,
Josh
joe heck wrote:
The 280 manual has a whole chapter on terminal remote
control and
computer remote control, especially command format and summary.
They recommend PromLink (tm) to operate the 280.
some of the commands are enter/exit CRC mode (computer remote control)
execute command, abort command, set nulls, set family/pinout, set
begin device address, set begin ram address, set block size, etc.
joe heck
Haven't decided if I will part with manual, but may copy some...
Dave McGuire wrote:
On Nov 12, 2007, at 1:10 AM, Josh Dersch wrote:
If you're looking to part with the manual,
let me know.
Do eeprom programmers like this typically use a standard serial
protocol to speak to the host PC, or is it usually proprietary per
manufacturer? Anyone know what software the 280 used?
Remote control protocols are typically proprietary, but Data I/O's
protocol (at least for the UniFamily units, not sure about the 280)
is well-documented. It's important to note, however, that most
standalone device programmers are designed to be used
as...standalone units. Meaning, you control them from their keypad
and display. If they have a serial port (and most do, the 280
definitely does) then they usually accept front-panel-initiated
transfer of files (usually binary, Intel hex, Motorola S-record, and
a few others) via Xmodem/ Ymodem/etc over the serial port.
-Dave
2:26 p.m.
Josh Dersch wrote:
Excellent. I'll see if I can find a copy of
PromLink to fool around
with. If you do get a chance to copy the manual, I'd love to have one
:).
Thanks,
Josh
You are welcome to visit my ftp site (go easy folks) that supports many
different older test equipment. I have Promlink, stuff on Data I/O 288
(not 280 though) and lots of other test equipment files. Feel free to
upload if you have anything to add please.
FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/pub/TTL/
FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/pub/incoming for anything you wish
to add - note this is a 'hidden' directory so you won't be able to see
what is uploaded.
John :-#)#
joe heck wrote:
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Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames)
www.flippers.com
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The 280 manual has a whole chapter on terminal
remote control and
computer remote control, especially command format and summary.
They recommend PromLink (tm) to operate the 280.
some of the commands are enter/exit CRC mode (computer remote control)
execute command, abort command, set nulls, set family/pinout, set
begin device address, set begin ram address, set block size, etc.
joe heck
Haven't decided if I will part with manual, but may copy some...
Dave McGuire wrote:
On Nov 12, 2007, at 1:10 AM, Josh Dersch wrote:
If you're looking to part with the manual,
let me know.
Do eeprom programmers like this typically use a standard serial
protocol to speak to the host PC, or is it usually proprietary per
manufacturer? Anyone know what software the 280 used?
Remote control protocols are typically proprietary, but Data
I/O's protocol (at least for the UniFamily units, not sure about
the 280) is well-documented. It's important to note, however, that
most standalone device programmers are designed to be used
as...standalone units. Meaning, you control them from their keypad
and display. If they have a serial port (and most do, the 280
definitely does) then they usually accept front-panel-initiated
transfer of files (usually binary, Intel hex, Motorola S-record,
and a few others) via Xmodem/ Ymodem/etc over the serial port.
-Dave
1:35 a.m.
Gotcha -- that makes sense. I'll have to fool around with this thing and
see what I can do with it...
Thanks,
Josh
Dave McGuire wrote:
On Nov 12, 2007, at 1:10 AM, Josh Dersch wrote:
If you're looking to part with the manual,
let me know.
Do eeprom programmers like this typically use a standard serial
protocol to speak to the host PC, or is it usually proprietary per
manufacturer? Anyone know what software the 280 used?
Remote control protocols are typically proprietary, but Data I/O's
protocol (at least for the UniFamily units, not sure about the 280) is
well-documented. It's important to note, however, that most
standalone device programmers are designed to be used as...standalone
units. Meaning, you control them from their keypad and display. If
they have a serial port (and most do, the 280 definitely does) then
they usually accept front-panel-initiated transfer of files (usually
binary, Intel hex, Motorola S-record, and a few others) via
Xmodem/Ymodem/etc over the serial port.
-Dave
--Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
Farewell Ophelia, 9/22/1991 - 7/25/2007
11 Nov
11 Nov
2:52 p.m.
New subject: Data I/O 212 programmer available
I have a Data I/O model 212 programmer with some memory cards, manuals
and cables.
If anyone wants it, it free, just pay shipping. Total weight is near 25
pounds with the manuals.
Bob
Santa Cruz, CA 95060
13 Nov
13 Nov
9:38 a.m.
New subject: Data I/O 212 programmer available
Bob Rosenbloom wrote:
I have a Data I/O model 212 programmer with some
memory cards, manuals
and cables.
If anyone wants it, it free, just pay shipping. Total weight is near
25 pounds with the manuals.
Bob
Santa Cruz, CA 95060
Hi I also have a Data I/O model 212 programmer unfortunately without the
manual. Would you be willing to scan and make the manual available?
Thanks,
Jim
15 Nov
15 Nov
11:16 a.m.
New subject: Data I/O 212 programmer available
I have a second manual, with a few loose pages. Email me your address
and I'll send it to you
for the cost of postage.
Bob
James Lynch wrote:
Bob Rosenbloom wrote:
I have a Data I/O model 212 programmer with some
memory cards,
manuals and cables.
If anyone wants it, it free, just pay shipping. Total weight is near
25 pounds with the manuals.
Bob
Santa Cruz, CA 95060
Hi I also have a Data I/O model 212 programmer unfortunately without
the manual. Would you be willing to scan and make the manual available?
Thanks,
Jim
11 Nov
11 Nov
2:57 p.m.
New subject: Older Apple Macintosh books, manuals, Apple 2e card.
I have 6 or 7 boxes full of older Apple manuals, software, docs etc. for
the older MACs. I don't want to spend
time sorting through it, but am hoping someone wants it, otherwise, to
the recyclers it goes. There is at least one,
probably two or three of the Apple 2e cards for the Mac in there. If I
remember correctly, they are new in sealed boxes.
Any interest? Free of course, I can bring them to the San Jose area if
needed.
Bob
Santa Cruz, CA 95060
3:43 p.m.
New subject: Older Apple Macintosh books, manuals, Apple 2e card.
Bob's mainly a mini collector. But he's posting about apple stuff? OMG! No
Way! It's just not possible for someone to be interested in both is it? I
guess the list is going to be all micro talk now.
Yeah, that's childish sarcasm on my part.
Jay
3:59 p.m.
New subject: Older Apple Macintosh books, manuals, Apple 2e card.
On 11/11/07, Jay West <jwest at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Bob's mainly a mini collector. But he's
posting about apple stuff? OMG! No
Way! It's just not possible for someone to be interested in both is it? I
guess the list is going to be all micro talk now.
Nah, I saw Bob's secret plans...he's just using Mac3270 cards as
mainframe terminals. The Mac is merely a host to a superior parasitic
lifeform :)
Those Apple // cards, are they the actual 100% emulation of the //e or
//c under old PDS Macs? Was there a SCSI 5.25" drive for Macs that
would read the Apple // disks?
10:42 p.m.
New subject: Older Apple Macintosh books, manuals, Apple 2e card.
Those Apple // cards, are they the actual 100%
emulation of the //e or
//c under old PDS Macs? Was there a SCSI 5.25" drive for Macs that
would read the Apple // disks?
They are LC PDS only, not generic PDS, and are very simple cards with a
65C02, a "Mega II" chip, an IWM for floppy control (more in a moment) and
256K of RAM. Essentially, it's a IIe on steroids, on a card.
I have never heard of a 5.25" SCSI drive for the Mac, and if you connect
a 5.25" UniDisk to a Mac floppy port you will destroy the Mac FDC and
possibly the floppy drive electronics. The II card came with a weird 26-pin
Y-adaptor that had a floppy connector, and you plug the UniDisk into that
(the other part of the Y was for a joystick).
If you didn't have a disk drive, you could still use the internal FD if your
Mac had one, or a hard disk partition, but in both cases they had to be
formatted as ProDOS.
Performance is best described as pedestrian on early LCs (mostly due to slow
video, not CPU emulation, obviously), but is quite nice on later ones. If you
find a Colour Classic, you can make a very nice portable Mac *and* Apple II.
My Colour Classic has SCSI Ethernet, so it doesn't need to have anything in
the PDS slot (thus the Apple II card can go there).
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10:52 p.m.
New subject: Older Apple Macintosh books, manuals, Apple 2e card.
On Nov 11, 2007 7:42 PM, Cameron Kaiser <spectre at floodgap.com> wrote:
Performance is best described as pedestrian on early
LCs (mostly due to slow
video, not CPU emulation, obviously), but is quite nice on later ones. If you
find a Colour Classic, you can make a very nice portable Mac *and* Apple II.
My Colour Classic has SCSI Ethernet, so it doesn't need to have anything in
the PDS slot (thus the Apple II card can go there).
Hmm...I'm not big into Macs, but I do happen to have a Color Classic.
This could give me reason to turn it on again.
Bob, any interest in shipping the Apple // cards?
4:03 p.m.
New subject: Older Apple Macintosh books, manuals, Apple 2e card.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay West" <jwest at classiccmp.org>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: Older Apple Macintosh books, manuals, Apple 2e card.
Bob's mainly a mini collector. But he's
posting about apple stuff? OMG! No
Way! It's just not possible for someone to be interested in both is it? I
guess the list is going to be all micro talk now.
Yeah, that's childish sarcasm on my part.
Jay
I am sure plenty of people here ended up snagging a whole lot only to find
some things from different systems they did not need inside. I stay away
from all or nothing lots because I don't want to be
disposing of all kind of
junk I don't like just to get a couple items I do
want.
While the old Mac stuff is what I like to collect, CA is a bit far from OH
for a pickup. Hoping to dig up a local Mac collector to snag the lot before
it ends up junked.
TZ
13 Nov
13 Nov
10:44 p.m.
New subject: Older Apple Macintosh books, manuals, Apple 2e card.
Bob - has anyone claimed the Apple2e cards? I'd like to try one in my
Color Classic and LC. I'd be happy to pay to have them shipped out
(Chicago area.)
Thanks!
-j
On Nov 11, 2007 11:57 AM, Bob Rosenbloom <bobalan at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I have 6 or 7 boxes full of older Apple manuals,
software, docs etc. for
the older MACs. I don't want to spend
time sorting through it, but am hoping someone wants it, otherwise, to
the recyclers it goes. There is at least one,
probably two or three of the Apple 2e cards for the Mac in there. If I
remember correctly, they are new in sealed boxes.
Any interest? Free of course, I can bring them to the San Jose area if
needed.
Bob
Santa Cruz, CA 95060
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