13 Dec
1999
13 Dec
'99
1:11 p.m.
I've essentially given away (for $5 a crack) a couple of dozen Shugart and
Siemens Single-Sided drives after aligning and otherwise cleaning and
repairing the things that seemed necessary. When I offered these drives
here, last June, there were no takers. Apparently the packing and shipping
costs, which I'd had quoted for me at Mailboxes, etc, were too much for the
folks on the list. It's too late now, of course.
Dick
-----Original Message-----
From: Arfon Gryffydd <arfonrg(a)texas.net>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Monday, December 13, 1999 12:49 PM
Subject: Cadigital & 8" drives (was: Re: )
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I need a Shugart 800/801 (or two)... Is this what
people are looking to
bulk buy?
A
reasonable
> >>> Still a reliable surplus vendor,
incidentally:
> >>> http://www.cadigital.com/
> >>> Perhaps the best-known NOS selection of 8" floppy drives anywhere
in
the
>> >>> world, as well as 8" media and cleaning kits.
>> >> Some of the prices don't look like they have been updated in a
decade
>> >> though, 2 MB ram simms for $59 etc.
>
>> >With most surplus vendors, I've had very good luck with bargaining
>> >on items having obviously outdated posted prices. But make a
>> >offer, not a really lowball one, or
they'll not bother to talk to you.
>
>> Or a quantity offer... If you buy 3 at a reasonable offer instead of
just
1, they're much more willing to take the deal.
Maybe if anyone wants a Dragon we should
coordinate it here first, then
just make a bulk purchase?!?!?
Well, I volounteer (sp?), since I'm about to buy some.
Any wishes ? 
13 Dec
13 Dec
1:36 p.m.
New subject: 8" drives and Compaticard / Uniform
Dick (or anyone else) -
Would you have the jumper settings (default positions, definitions, etc.)
for a Shugart 860? DS0-3 I can figure out. But the rest...
I have just added 2 8"ers to my AT via a Compaticard. I have them working
as MS-DOS drives D: and E: just fine, but when I use Uniform it always
accesses the 360K B: drive instead of the 8". I've got the Compaticard
manual, set up the board as the secondary, tertiary, and quartiary(?)
controller, tried EVERY combination of drive #'s (0-15), twisted and
straight cables, different cable combo's, different DS's on the drives, and
it STILL won't do anything but try to access the B: drive (when it accesses
anything at all) when I use Uniform to access the F:(CP/M) drive. I even
tried ASSIGNing the B: drive.
So close but yet so far....
Bob Stek
bobstek(a)ix.netcom.com
Saver of Lost SOLs
6:36 p.m.
New subject: 8" drives and Compaticard / Uniform
On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, Bob Stek wrote:
Dick (or anyone else) -
Would you have the jumper settings (default positions, definitions, etc.)
for a Shugart 860? DS0-3 I can figure out. But the rest...
I have just added 2 8"ers to my AT via a Compaticard. I have them working
as MS-DOS drives D: and E: just fine, but when I use Uniform it always
accesses the 360K B: drive instead of the 8". I've got the Compaticard
manual, set up the board as the secondary, tertiary, and quartiary(?)
controller, tried EVERY combination of drive #'s (0-15), twisted and
straight cables, different cable combo's, different DS's on the drives, and
it STILL won't do anything but try to access the B: drive (when it accesses
anything at all) when I use Uniform to access the F:(CP/M) drive. I even
tried ASSIGNing the B: drive.
Bob, UniForm will only permit you to identify/select a single copy of
each type drive - that is 350k, 1.2mb, 3.5" (either 720k or 1.44mb) and
8". I assume that you used Uinstall to make that identification. About
the only way that I can think of that you could slip in a second 8"
drive would be to identify it as a 1.2mb drive - assuming that you do
not have one.
I might note that 22Disk will permit you to use both 8" drives.
- don
So close but yet so far....
Bob Stek
bobstek(a)ix.netcom.com
Saver of Lost SOLs
7:06 p.m.
New subject: 8" drives and Compaticard / Uniform
On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, Don Maslin wrote:
On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, Bob Stek wrote:
^ make that 360k :-(
- don
Dick (or anyone else) -
Would you have the jumper settings (default positions, definitions, etc.)
for a Shugart 860? DS0-3 I can figure out. But the rest...
I have just added 2 8"ers to my AT via a Compaticard. I have them working
as MS-DOS drives D: and E: just fine, but when I use Uniform it always
accesses the 360K B: drive instead of the 8". I've got the Compaticard
manual, set up the board as the secondary, tertiary, and quartiary(?)
controller, tried EVERY combination of drive #'s (0-15), twisted and
straight cables, different cable combo's, different DS's on the drives, and
it STILL won't do anything but try to access the B: drive (when it accesses
anything at all) when I use Uniform to access the F:(CP/M) drive. I even
tried ASSIGNing the B: drive.
Bob, UniForm will only permit you to identify/select a single copy of
each type drive - that is 350k, 1.2mb, 3.5" (either 720k or 1.44mb) and 8". I assume that you used Uinstall to make that
identification. About
the only way that I can think of that you could slip in a second 8"
drive would be to identify it as a 1.2mb drive - assuming that you do
not have one.
I might note that 22Disk will permit you to use both 8" drives.
- don
So close but yet so far....
Bob Stek
bobstek(a)ix.netcom.com
Saver of Lost SOLs
14 Dec
14 Dec
12:21 a.m.
New subject: 8" drives and Compaticard / Uniform
-----Original Message-----
From: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu
[mailto:CLASSICCMP-owner@u.washington.edu]On Behalf Of Don Maslin
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 12:37 AM
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: Re: 8" drives and Compaticard / Uniform
Bob, UniForm will only permit you to identify/select a single copy of
each type drive - that is 350k, 1.2mb, 3.5" (either 720k or 1.44mb) and
8". I assume that you used Uinstall to make that identification. About
the only way that I can think of that you could slip in a second 8"
drive would be to identify it as a 1.2mb drive - assuming that you do
not have one.
I might note that 22Disk will permit you to use both 8" drives.
- don
The problem isn't that I want two CP/M drives. It is that I can't access
even one! The Compaticard seems to have no problem attaching the two 8"-ers
as MS-DOS drives; I can access them as drives D: and E: just fine. When I
run Uniform and choose an 8" CP/M format, it tells me that drive F: is now
my CP/M drive. If I then do a DIR of F:, my drive B: activity light comes
on and gives me an error message. Even though I have the Compaticard
jumpered as the quartiary controller (I/O ports 3e0-3e7) Uniform accesses
drive #2 on the primary controller as drive F:
I suppose that I can disable the second 8" drive and see what happens. I
will try 22disk as well (although that's only to be pragmatic - I want to
know why the @#%$@#^& thing is acting the way it does!)
Bob Stek
bobstek(a)ix.netcom.com
Saver of Lost SOLs
10:27 a.m.
New subject: 8" drives and Compaticard / Uniform
On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Bob Stek wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu
[mailto:CLASSICCMP-owner@u.washington.edu]On Behalf Of Don Maslin
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 12:37 AM
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: Re: 8" drives and Compaticard / Uniform
Bob, UniForm will only permit you to identify/select a single copy of
each type drive - that is 350k, 1.2mb, 3.5" (either 720k or 1.44mb) and
8". I assume that you used Uinstall to make that identification. About
the only way that I can think of that you could slip in a second 8"
drive would be to identify it as a 1.2mb drive - assuming that you do
not have one.
I might note that 22Disk will permit you to use both 8" drives.
- don
The problem isn't that I want two CP/M drives. It is that I can't access
even one! The Compaticard seems to have no problem attaching the two 8"-ers
as MS-DOS drives; I can access them as drives D: and E: just fine. When I
run Uniform and choose an 8" CP/M format, it tells me that drive F: is now
my CP/M drive. If I then do a DIR of F:, my drive B: activity light comes
on and gives me an error message. Even though I have the Compaticard
jumpered as the quartiary controller (I/O ports 3e0-3e7) Uniform accesses
drive #2 on the primary controller as drive F:
Using UINSTALL, how do you have the 8" drive(s) identified? 3 or 4?
Also, as a point of curiousity, which CompatiCard are you using- 1 or 4?
I suppose that I can disable the second 8" drive
and see what happens. I
May not be needed, but it will dis/prove a point.
will try 22disk as well (although that's only to
be pragmatic - I want to
know why the @#%$@#^& thing is acting the way it does!)
Me too!
- don
Bob Stek
bobstek(a)ix.netcom.com
Saver of Lost SOLs
5:35 a.m.
New subject: 8" drives and Compaticard / Uniform
At 09:36 PM 12/13/99 -0800, Don Maslin wrote:
On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, Bob Stek wrote:
> Dick (or anyone else) -
>
> Would you have the jumper settings (default positions, definitions, etc.)
> for a Shugart 860? DS0-3 I can figure out. But the rest...
<http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~itda/frames.html> has an online PDF
version of the Shugart 801 manual, if that might help...
- John
12:11 p.m.
New subject: 8" drives and Compaticard / Uniform
On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, John Foust wrote:
At 09:36 PM 12/13/99 -0800, Don Maslin wrote:
Hopefully, this will clear the fog a bit.
- don
Shugart SA810/860
Customer Cut/Add Trace Options
Trace As Shipped
Designator Description Open Short
U9 Terminations for Multiplexed Inputs Plugged
SI Internal Write Current Switch Plugged
SE External Write Current Switch X
TR True Ready Output Plugged
RTR Radial True Ready X
2S Two Sided Status Output*** X
DC Disk Change Option X
S1 Side Select Using Direction Select*** X
S2 Side Select Input*** Plugged
S3 Side Select Using Drive Select*** X
1B,2B,3B,4B Side Select Using Drive Select*** X
D Alternate Input In Use X
MS Motor On From Drive Select* Plugged
MO Alternate Input Motor On* X
MMO Alternate Input Multiplexed Motor On* X
MD Motor Off Delay X
R Ready Output X
RR Radial Ready X
SR Standard Ready Plugged
MT Modified True Ready (Output On Pin 22) X
DS1 Drive Select 1
DS2,3,4 Drive Select 2,3,4 Input
Y Door Lock Light Activated From Motor On Plugged
Z Door Lock Light Activated From Drive Select X
PD Stepper Power Down X
WP Inhibit Write When Write Protected X
NP Allow Write When Write Protected X
TS Data Separation Option Select X
* Motor On is the complement of HEAD LOAD on the SA801/851 drives.
** SA810/860 offers an optional data separatorwhich properly
separates data and clock bits through the soft sectored IBM
standard format and address mark area. TS offers the option.
*** Applies to SA860 only.
On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, Bob Stek wrote:
> Dick (or anyone else) -
>
> Would you have the jumper settings (default positions, definitions, etc.)
> for a Shugart 860? DS0-3 I can figure out. But the rest...
<http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~itda/frames.html> has an online PDF
version of the Shugart 801 manual, if that might help...
- John
19 Dec
19 Dec
3:25 p.m.
New subject: 8" drives and Compaticard / Uniform
Thanks for the help, Richard and DOn. Another weekend and I still haven't
gotten the damn thing to read CP/M - either with Uniform or 22 Disk. I am
making up a new cable EXACTLY as specified in the Compaticard manual - I'll
let you know of any success (or continued failure!).
Bob Stek
bobstek(a)ix.netcom.com
Saver of Lost SOLs
-----Original Message-----
From: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu
[mailto:CLASSICCMP-owner@u.washington.edu]On Behalf Of Don Maslin
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 6:11 PM
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: Re: 8" drives and Compaticard / Uniform
On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, John Foust wrote:
Hopefully, this will clear the fog a bit.
- don
Shugart SA810/860
Customer Cut/Add Trace Options
Trace As Shipped
Designator Description Open Short
U9 Terminations for Multiplexed Inputs Plugged
SI Internal Write Current Switch Plugged
SE External Write Current Switch X
TR True Ready Output Plugged
RTR Radial True Ready X
2S Two Sided Status Output*** X
DC Disk Change Option X
S1 Side Select Using Direction Select*** X
S2 Side Select Input*** Plugged
S3 Side Select Using Drive Select*** X
1B,2B,3B,4B Side Select Using Drive Select*** X
D Alternate Input In Use X
MS Motor On From Drive Select* Plugged
MO Alternate Input Motor On* X
MMO Alternate Input Multiplexed Motor On* X
MD Motor Off Delay X
R Ready Output X
RR Radial Ready X
SR Standard Ready Plugged
MT Modified True Ready (Output On Pin 22) X
DS1 Drive Select 1
DS2,3,4 Drive Select 2,3,4 Input
Y Door Lock Light Activated From Motor On Plugged
Z Door Lock Light Activated From Drive Select X
PD Stepper Power Down X
WP Inhibit Write When Write Protected X
NP Allow Write When Write Protected X
TS Data Separation Option Select X
* Motor On is the complement of HEAD LOAD on the SA801/851 drives.
** SA810/860 offers an optional data separatorwhich properly
separates data and clock bits through the soft sectored IBM
standard format and address mark area. TS offers the option.
*** Applies to SA860 only.
At 09:36 PM 12/13/99 -0800, Don Maslin wrote:
>On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, Bob Stek wrote:
>> Dick (or anyone else) -
>>
>> Would you have the jumper settings (default positions, definitions,
etc.)
> for a
Shugart 860? DS0-3 I can figure out. But the rest...
<http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~itda/frames.html> has an online PDF
version of the Shugart 801 manual, if that might help...
- John
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