DM 10 per day and person DM 15 for both days And 2 days for one if you preregister :) I'll check that and post the result on the Pages. Servus Hans -- VCF Europa am 29./30. April 2000 in Muenchen http://www.vintage.org/vcfe http://www.homecomputer.de/vcfe

At the moment (S*** F****** Euro) it's like 1:2 on the Dollar and 1:3 on the Pound (plus a small bonus). Compared to a year ago, it's like a 20% off on all stuff over here. Forgett Excite - they put the center of Munich in the middle of nowhere - Well, maybe not, there Mark is quite close to a building at a US site, which is known to house some CIA departments - so maybe that's their source - this would also explane that there are lots of spelling errors in street names, wrong names and even streets drawn at wrong locations. http://maps.excite.com/zoom/?lat=481371&lon=115757&label=VCFe%2C+Mu… is the closest you may get on there for VCFe location. The Map is centered on the real city centre, the Mark is on the VCFe site. It looks like as if their coordinates are somewhat out of orgin. I did gather the VCFe location per GPS (7 satelites used), and when using them (48o 7' 51" N, 11o 36' 56" E), Excite shows a map location about 150 meters (500 ft) of the real location. I did check the GPS measurement with two different recivers (a Garmin GPS 38, and the navigation system of my car). You're right - just, where to start - you are in fafour of the Oberland - but there's more in Bavaria (not to speak about the occupied terretories - free Bavaria!). That's the back side of beeing forced to work for the money ... The job takes away valuable time you could otherwise use for coming to VCFe - Just tell you boss you prefer VCFe over slavery :)) Gruss H. -- VCF Europa am 29./30. April 2000 in Muenchen http://www.vintage.org/vcfe http://www.homecomputer.de/vcfe

Upon the date 05:50 PM 3/7/00 +0001, Hans Franke said something like: Servus Hans, I warned Sellam about this but he said he's willing to go ahead with it! ;-) The cat's out of the bag now! I know well what it's like to try to learn German and after about eight years of periodic, unofficial, random self-teaching I can just about speak short simple sentences. If German was still taught in the schools around here I would have attempted to get tutoring would be much better I think. If he does in fact come to understand spoken High German he'll get confused hearing the Bavarian tongue though. I know! ;-) Heh heh heh . . . Bis sp?ter, Chris -- -- Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.antiquewireless.org/

That's part of the deal - if you pretend to understand my English, I'll do the same about your German... :)) No, serious, German isn't that hard to learn, millions of kids over here are proof that it's easy enough to be done even at toddlers age :)) Well, Now realy serious: All you missing is some practice so come over for VCFe and help Sallam in his speech. Gruss H. -- VCF Europa am 29./30. April 2000 in Muenchen http://www.vintage.org/vcfe http://www.homecomputer.de/vcfe

Well, like when I asked a friend of mine to help me with my German (20-year native speaker)...every specific question was met with, "I don't *know* vy, ve just say it zat vay..." On Wed, 8 Mar 2000, John Wilson wrote:

----- Original Message ----- From: "John Wilson" <wilson(a)dbit.dbit.com> To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 4:48 AM Subject: Re: VCF Europa Update using An Ex Naval instructor in Morse once told me that it was much better to learn morse *as a language* than as a coded form of english. Interestingly, although he was a full call ham, he was a vigourous opponent of morse being compulsory at speeds > 5wpm, as he said, based on his experience, that some people simply CANNOT learn it much beyond that level, no matter how hard they try. I can believe that, I tried for YEARS to get up to 10wpm for my Full license, but can't seem to quite get there. Cheers Geoff Roberts Computer Systems Manager Saint Mark's College Port Pirie, South Australia geoffrob(a)stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au netcafe(a)pirie.mtx.net.au ICQ: 1970476

I was willing to learn to touchtype, scared the heck out of my first employer to find out his new highly paid software guy was hunting and pecking with two fingers, but I refuse to become a human uart. Ten minutes after the first KIM-1 was available morse code lost its charm for me, and I have been scratching my head ever since wondering at people who haven't seen the light. ;)

I've persued morse once aqnd found this, there is a transition point where you go from lookup to knowing the sounds like in speech. Thsi varies for some people as for transmitting it requires a manual skill and receiving and auditory skill So there is some asymetry in the learning process. At lest a few people advise learning the morse letters at fairly high speeds with long pauses between each letter to allow getting used to the sound at say 13wpm. I'm looking forward to the restructuring for the nocode as I can do the tech portion of the test easily and the rules are not to bad. Allison

On Wed, 8 Mar 2000, Dwight Elvey wrote: I did too, and abandoned touch-typing for years. When I finally stuck with it for more than 12 months, I went from 15 wpm looking at the keyboard to 70wpm without looking. Like anything else, practice, practice, practice. I touch type for 6-8 hours of my day, with several keymaps (depending on development environment), so I certainly don't think that 70wpm is exceptional. On the contrary; if I wasn't so lazy, I'd probably be a lot faster... Aaron

----- Original Message ----- From: "Dwight Elvey" <elvey(a)hal.com> To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 2:42 PM Subject: Re[2]: VCF Europa Update Maybe it's a consolation prize, I learnt to type 45wpm in 3 months on a Siemens Teleprinter. (And I got paid for it!) It has been very useful ever since.... I'd rather be good at morse though. Sigh. Cheers Geoff Roberts Computer Systems Manager Saint Mark's College Port Pirie, South Australia geoffrob(a)stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au netcafe(a)pirie.mtx.net.au ICQ: 1970476

----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Franke" <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de> To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 9:48 PM Subject: Re: VCF Europa Update Sadly, it's easier for a toddler to learn (any language) than it is for an adult. My brother also studied German at University here, and probably speaks it as well as any non native. (Hard to tell, hardly anyone here speaks anything but english. I have picked up a few words here and there just through reading and foreign language films, but that's it) AFAIK, there is only 1 native German in the whole town. I have no idea how the grammar works. My brother mentioned something about gender and case, which don't exist in English in any form that is comparable. (Only gender I can think of apart from living males/females is that a ship or an aircraft is "she") Case??? The point is that no adult ever learns a foreign language as easily or as well as a young child. The inability of adult native Japanese speakers to pronounce certain English phonemes is due to the fact that they do not have the ability to pronounce them. It has to be learnt (IIRC) before age 5 or 6. The RR as in 'sorry' for instance. (It tends to come out more like a LL.) They aren't brain damaged, they just can't form the sound, they didn't learn how. I hope it all goes well. I wish I could join you, but my car doesn't swim very well. (I envy people who can visit another country just by driving there.) Cheers Geoff Roberts Computer Systems Manager Saint Mark's College Port Pirie, South Australia geoffrob(a)stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au netcafe(a)pirie.mtx.net.au ICQ: 1970476