Yeah... I specifically bought VCR clutch felts. When those didn't work, I considered buying craft store felt, but never saw anything remotely close to the right thing (craft store felt is too soft and flexible) Bingo... if I was an authorized repair shop, I could buy a manual... but then, if I was an authorized repair shop, they would look up the part number for me, and sell it to me. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>