<If only there was a mechanism to persuade companies to allow such hobby <use of archaic software. It would be great if there was a standard OpenVMS archaic? It's a current product and definatly a high end OS and it includs DECnet networking. Unlike DOS VMS is richly packaged with tools, utilities, libraries, editors, VMSmail, DCL command line language, macro32 and DECwindows client and server. <document, perhaps similar to that OpenVMS license, that would eliminate <the guilt from violating someone's copyright. "What's the harm" isn't Keep in mind while they grant a hobby license it's for 1 full version level behind. DEC policy was sofware that old is unsupported but the copyright is still valid. Still V5.4->v6.1 systems are still good for production work. There are still systems in production use still running them. Often the problem with "abandoned" software is finding the oner of record or who it is. Allison