22 Jun
2005
22 Jun
'05
2:02 p.m.
From: "Randy McLaughlin" <cctalk at
randy482.com>
Manuals that I have scanned are being sold on CD's. At first it bothered me
but after that I want my PDF's distributed and this is just another way.
Randy
www.s100-manuals.com
Hi
It is just rude to not ask.
Dwight
22 Jun
22 Jun
2:21 p.m.
The seller emailed me today, said he's never heard of my site, and claimed
that "an eBay user" sent him the information. I don't believe that, but
anyway, he apologized and said he will post a link. (Gee, thanks.) So far,
he hasn't done so.
Randy: I know your manuals situation has been discussed here before. It's
noble of you to just appreciate the distribution. But you certainly deserve
to be compensated for your work. (Guess I wouldn't do so well in the
open-source world!)
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Dwight K. Elvey
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 2:03 PM
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: eBay users plagiarizing collectors' content...
From: "Randy McLaughlin" <cctalk at
randy482.com>
Manuals that I have scanned are being sold on CD's. At first it
bothered me but after that I want my PDF's distributed and this is just
another
way.
Randy
www.s100-manuals.com
Hi
It is just rude to not ask.
Dwight
3 p.m.
Randy: I know your manuals situation has been discussed
here before.
It's noble of you to just appreciate the distribution. But you
certainly deserve to be compensated for your work. (Guess I
wouldn't do so well in the open-source world!)
I'm just taking a wild stab in the dark here, but my
guess is that Randy (and Al, and almost anyone else
doing any scanning - me too for that matter) would
have less than a whole leg to stand on in court!
I don't claim any rights whatsoever to anything I've scanned.
I've not heard anyone else here do so either. If you are
going to complain that someone is taking things you've scanned
and selling them, would it not be reasonable to ask whether
the original copyright holder (who presumably had to _pay_ to
get the manual written!) might not deserve at least a chance
to deny your request to distribute their work?
Apologies to those who have scanned only after having
sought permission :-)
As for people nabbing your web text and pictures (where I
presume you hold the copyright and didn't just copy it
wholesale from somewhere), then feel free to go after them.
I found someone using my images in their auctions and after
asking them to stop (and being ignored) I decided to add
a (c) and my id to any photos I use. At least I'll have a
decent chance of proving they're _my_ photos if it comes
down to an argument!
Antonio
3:05 p.m.
>>> As for people nabbing your web text and
pictures (where I presume you
hold the copyright and didn't just copy it
wholesale from somewhere), then
feel free to go after them.
Yup, in my case, it's four years worth of original reporting and research.
Oh well. I'm over it. Next topic...
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Antonio Carlini
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 3:00 PM
To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
Subject: RE: eBay users plagiarizing collectors' content...
Randy: I know your manuals situation has been discussed
here before.
It's noble of you to just appreciate the distribution. But you
certainly deserve to be compensated for your work. (Guess I wouldn't
do so well in the open-source world!)
I'm just taking a wild stab in the dark here, but my guess is that Randy
(and Al, and almost anyone else doing any scanning - me too for that matter)
would have less than a whole leg to stand on in court!
I don't claim any rights whatsoever to anything I've scanned.
I've not heard anyone else here do so either. If you are going to complain
that someone is taking things you've scanned and selling them, would it not
be reasonable to ask whether the original copyright holder (who presumably
had to _pay_ to get the manual written!) might not deserve at least a chance
to deny your request to distribute their work?
Apologies to those who have scanned only after having sought permission :-)
As for people nabbing your web text and pictures (where I presume you hold
the copyright and didn't just copy it wholesale from somewhere), then feel
free to go after them.
I found someone using my images in their auctions and after asking them to
stop (and being ignored) I decided to add a (c) and my id to any photos I
use. At least I'll have a decent chance of proving they're _my_ photos if it
comes down to an argument!
Antonio
3:09 p.m.
>>>> "Antonio" == Antonio Carlini
<a.carlini at ntlworld.com> writes:
> Randy: I know your manuals situation has been
discussed here
> before. It's noble of you to just appreciate the distribution.
> But you certainly deserve to be compensated for your work. (Guess
> I wouldn't do so well in the open-source world!)
Antonio> I'm just taking a wild stab in the dark here, but my guess
Antonio> is that Randy (and Al, and almost anyone else doing any
Antonio> scanning - me too for that matter) would have less than a
Antonio> whole leg to stand on in court!
Antonio> I don't claim any rights whatsoever to anything I've
Antonio> scanned. I've not heard anyone else here do so either. If
Antonio> you are going to complain that someone is taking things
Antonio> you've scanned and selling them, would it not be reasonable
Antonio> to ask whether the original copyright holder (who presumably
Antonio> had to _pay_ to get the manual written!) might not deserve
Antonio> at least a chance to deny your request to distribute their
Antonio> work?
Antonio> Apologies to those who have scanned only after having sought
Antonio> permission :-)
Actually, even then your comment probably holds.
Clearly a scanner can't hold copyright in the original content. That
leaves compilation copyright. But it's hard to see how that would
apply when the material published is simply a full page by page scan
of the original.
I have a scanned flight manual (US DOD publication, so no copyright on
the original -- so clearly there are no issues with selling the
scans). The scanner put a copyright notice on the scanned file. I
can't see how that is valid. (Hm, that may explain why I saw a copy
of that CD sold by someone else. Impolite, yes. Illegal? I wonder.)
Hm, I wonder if the same comment applies to reprints of old books --
from Lindsay Publications, Dover Press, etc., other
than new
introductions and the like of course.
paul
paul
23 Jun
23 Jun
1:20 p.m.
From: "Paul Koning" <pkoning at equallogic.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 2:09 PM
<snip>
Clearly a scanner can't hold copyright in the
original content. That
leaves compilation copyright. But it's hard to see how that would
apply when the material published is simply a full page by page scan
of the original.
I have a scanned flight manual (US DOD publication, so no copyright on
the original -- so clearly there are no issues with selling the
scans). The scanner put a copyright notice on the scanned file. I
can't see how that is valid. (Hm, that may explain why I saw a copy
of that CD sold by someone else. Impolite, yes. Illegal? I wonder.)
Hm, I wonder if the same comment applies to reprints of old books --
from Lindsay Publications, Dover Press, etc., other than new
introductions and the like of course.
paul
Most all of the manuals I have posted on my site are scanned by others.
Most of the manuals I scan I send to others and either don't post on my site
or post them via mirroring.
I scan manuals that would otherwise be unavailable and either with the
copyright holders permission or from copyright holders that can not be
found.
Yes some copyright holders are available and have given permission to one
degree or another including Alpha-Micro, Cromemco, and DRI (UCSD has not
given specific permission but they used files off my site to put on their
site :) ).
I have not posted manuals from other sites (excepting mirroring the whole
site) but I have seen a certain amount of manuals included in my mirrors
that came from bitsavers and others.
I have always given permission for others to post manuals I scan and do not
require any sort of acknowledgement with the exception of the Alpha-Micro
material that Alpha-Micro insists on giving individual permission.
Randy
www.s100-manuals.com
25 Jun
25 Jun
8:23 a.m.
On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:09:29 -0400
Paul Koning <pkoning at equallogic.com> wrote:
You can probably claim copyright over any lint and odd spots on the scan
that are artifacts of your scanning, as 'artistic expression.'
>>>> "Antonio" == Antonio Carlini <a.carlini at ntlworld.com>
writes:
> Randy: I know your manuals situation has been
discussed here
> before. It's noble of you to just appreciate the distribution.
> But you certainly deserve to be compensated for your work. (Guess
> I wouldn't do so well in the open-source world!)
Antonio> I'm just taking a wild stab in the dark here, but my guess
Antonio> is that Randy (and Al, and almost anyone else doing any
Antonio> scanning - me too for that matter) would have less than a
Antonio> whole leg to stand on in court!
Antonio> I don't claim any rights whatsoever to anything I've
Antonio> scanned. I've not heard anyone else here do so either. If
Antonio> you are going to complain that someone is taking things
Antonio> you've scanned and selling them, would it not be reasonable
Antonio> to ask whether the original copyright holder (who presumably
Antonio> had to _pay_ to get the manual written!) might not deserve
Antonio> at least a chance to deny your request to distribute their
Antonio> work?
Antonio> Apologies to those who have scanned only after having sought
Antonio> permission :-)
Actually, even then your comment probably holds.
Clearly a scanner can't hold copyright in the original content. That
leaves compilation copyright. But it's hard to see how that would
apply when the material published is simply a full page by page scan
of the original.
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