8 Feb
2001
8 Feb
'01
8:28 p.m.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1207448449
$5,100 was the final bid. I wonder if it was actually consumated?
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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9 Feb
9 Feb
5:02 a.m.
At 11:28 PM 2/8/01 -0800, you wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1207448449
$5,100 was the final bid. I wonder if it was actually consumated?
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
http://cgi2.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=gcacioppo
The feedback says the deal was done.
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Jim Battle == frustum(a)pacbell.net
3:12 p.m.
Maybe I'm poking my nose where I shouldn't be...this is a bio on the buyer.
George Cacioppo
Vice President and General Manager
Adobe Systems, Inc.
George Cacioppo is Vice President and General Manager of the Enterprise
Product Division at Adobe Systems Incorporated in San Jose, California.
George's organization is reponsible for the development of the Acrobat and
Framemaker products and the development of solutions targeting Enterprise
information and communications needs. Until recently, George was responsible
for the design, introduction, and development of Adobe's architecture for
production printing, known as Adobe PostScript Extreme. Its use of Acrobat
technology is enabling the industry to move from the traditional "Print and
Distribute" workflows to "Distribute and Print" electronic workflows.
George
joined Adobe in 1992. Previously he was an engineering manager at Digital
Equipment Corporation in Maynard, Massachusetts.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Jim Battle
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 11:02 AM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Holy Crap! IMSAI's weren't this expensive when new!
At 11:28 PM 2/8/01 -0800, you wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1207448449
$5,100 was the final bid. I wonder if it was actually consumated?
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer
Festival
http://cgi2.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=gcacioppo
The feedback says the deal was done.
-----
Jim Battle == frustum(a)pacbell.net
5:05 a.m.
Well, they were this costly if you figured in the cost of Malox, aspirin,
whiskey, and prune juice, as needed to make one work. This guy has put
together a complete, working floppy disk based system on an IMSAI
motherboard and front-panel. Getting things to run in the IMSAI box/PSU
combination was a challenge, but making it work with the FP present was a
REAL challenge.
It's interesting is that the writeup suggests that the system isn't even
properly functional. It looks as though the purchase was made on the
strength of the fact that the disk drive boxes were the right color. They
certainly aren't original IMSAI equipment. One thing the NorthStar
controller offers, in spite of its many shortcomings, is that it works with
a 2 MHz 8080 CPU, which, though not what's shown with the system, is what it
runs in its original configuration.
I'll have to congratulate Tom Bassi for selling this thing at such a price!
He wrote me some months back that he was going to be getting rid of some of
his IMSAI stuff. I've long advised him to get rid of his NorthStar stuff in
favor of stuff that's more conventional.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vintage Computer Festival" <vcf(a)siconic.com>
To: "Classic Computers Mailing List" <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 12:28 AM
Subject: Holy Crap! IMSAI's weren't this expensive when new!
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1207448449
$5,100 was the final bid. I wonder if it was actually consumated?
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer
Festival
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http://www.vintage.org
9:28 p.m.
New subject: HP Composite Video Interface Card
I am using an HP composite video card (98204A) in a
9000/200 series and am getting a very small multiple
image on the screen. Is there something special about
HP composite video or is this just a bad card? I've
tried the card in both a 9000/200 and 9000/220 with the
same result. Any ideas?
10:10 p.m.
New subject: HP Composite Video Interface Card
I should have mentioned that I am using an Apple 9"
mono composite monitor, not an HP model such as a 82912
or 82914.
I am using an HP composite video card (98204A) in a
9000/200 series and am getting a very small multiple
image on the screen. Is there something special
about
HP composite video or is this just a bad card?
I've
tried the card in both a 9000/200 and 9000/220 with
the
same result. Any ideas?
10:44 p.m.
New subject: HP Composite Video Interface Card
I should have mentioned that I am using an Apple
9"
mono composite monitor, not an HP model such as a 82912
or 82914.
My guess is that composite video does not equal RS170 or whatever
"standard" NTSC video is. Sounds like this card is a much higher refresh
rate etc.
I am using an HP composite video card (98204A) in
a
9000/200 series and am getting a very small multiple
image on the screen. Is there something special
about
HP composite video or is this just a bad card?
I've
tried the card in both a 9000/200 and 9000/220 with
the
> same result. Any ideas? 
10 Feb
10 Feb
9:07 a.m.
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11 Feb
11 Feb
3:27 p.m.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1207448449
$5,100 was the final bid. I wonder if it was actually consumated?
For those that haven't seen it, someone just posted a SOL-20
with North Star disk system, plus manuals on eBay. The opening bid
he is asking is $999, while his 'Buy it now' price is $3,000. The
system looks in decent enough shape, but it is missing it's front
panel lable. Given what some of the other early S-100 bus systems
have gone for recently, it will be interesting to see if he gets his
opening price or above.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1214195149
Jeff
--
Collector of Classic Microcomputers and Video Game Systems:
Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File
http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757
4:06 p.m.
Complete and functional hardware/software isn't that common on the eBay, so
I'd not be surprised to see this one go for at least the $1k that he's
opening with.
Tom Bassi told me he's already gotten his $$$ for his $5100 IMSAI, by the
way, but, due to a quirk of fate, he'd promised the proceeds to his wife.
That was before he knew what it would go for, though.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Hellige" <jhellige(a)earthlink.net>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: Holy Crap! IMSAI's weren't this expensive when new!
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1207448449
$5,100 was the final bid. I wonder if it was actually consumated?
For those that haven't seen it, someone just posted a SOL-20
with North Star disk system, plus manuals on eBay. The opening bid
he is asking is $999, while his 'Buy it now' price is $3,000. The
system looks in decent enough shape, but it is missing it's front
panel lable. Given what some of the other early S-100 bus systems
have gone for recently, it will be interesting to see if he gets his
opening price or above.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1214195149
Jeff
--
Collector of Classic Microcomputers and Video Game Systems:
Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File
http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757
11:38 p.m.
Complete and functional hardware/software isn't
that common on the eBay, so
I'd not be surprised to see this one go for at least the $1k that he's
opening with.
If I remember correctly from when I was watching the prices
on the 3-4 SOL's that sold on eBay around Sept. and August, they went
for roughly $500 each. I know none of them ended up with a final
anywhere near this one's opening bid. Sure makes me glad I didn't
even have to pay anywhere near that much for mine! The North Star
disk system would be a nice addition to it though.
Jeff
--
Collector of Classic Microcomputers and Video Game Systems:
Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File
http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757
12 Feb
12 Feb
11:51 a.m.
New subject: MegaGraphics MegaVideo upgrade for the Mac Plus
Now I find out the truth behind my friends hunt for a EGA/VGA. What he has
is actually an old mac plus era video box. Anybody remember this one?
>There was a MegaGraphics MegaVideo upgrade for the
Mac Plus. Its
>huge, and has DB9 output. I need to map it to VGA or Mac Video, both
>of which are analogue. I think I'll order a bunch of parts and
4:47 p.m.
New subject: MegaGraphics MegaVideo upgrade for the Mac Plus
Mike Ford skrev:
Now I find out the truth behind my friends hunt for a
EGA/VGA. What he has
is actually an old mac plus era video box. Anybody remember this one?
I haven't, but chances are someone on the LowendMac.com lists does.
--
En ligne avec Thor 2.6.
Life begins at '030. Fun begins at '040. Impotence begins at '86.
7:16 p.m.
New subject: MegaGraphics MegaVideo upgrade for the Mac Plus
Mike Ford skrev:
Thats where the poor lad was told it was EGA. :(
Now I find out the truth behind my friends hunt
for a EGA/VGA. What he has
is actually an old mac plus era video box. Anybody remember this one?
I haven't, but chances are someone on the LowendMac.com lists does. 
13 Feb
13 Feb
1:09 a.m.
New subject: MegaGraphics MegaVideo upgrade for the Mac Plus
Mike Ford
skrev:
Thats where the poor lad was told it was EGA. :(
Now I find out the truth behind my friends hunt
for a EGA/VGA. What he has
is actually an old mac plus era video box. Anybody remember this one?
I haven't, but chances are someone on the LowendMac.com lists does.
5:14 a.m.
New subject: MegaGraphics MegaVideo upgrade for the Mac Plus
Bill Pechter skrev:
> >Mike Ford skrev:
> >
> >>Now I find out the truth behind my friends hunt for a EGA/VGA. What he
> >>has is actually an old mac plus era video box. Anybody remember this one?
> >
> >I haven't, but chances are someone on the LowendMac.com lists does.
>
> Thats where the poor lad was told it was EGA. :(
Some were both... The Sony monitors (1304?) we used at
Bell Labs were 14
inch multisync and could be used on EGA/VGA with the right cable.
Both my NEC and Eizo monitors are both digital and analogue as well. Very
handy if you're running a whole lot of odd platforms.
--
En ligne avec Thor 2.6.
G? med i SUGA, Swedish Usergroup of Amiga!
WWW: http://swedish.usergroup.amiga.tm/
BBS: 08-6582572, telnet://sua.ath.cx:42512
12 Feb
12 Feb
5:03 a.m.
I think that's the same guy who recently asked me if I was
interested. At least everything in the auction seems the same. He
said he would put it on ebay if I wasn't interested. Well I was but it
became clear he wanted more than I was ready to pay. He
seemed pretty sure he could easily get $1000-$1500 for it on ebay
so I passed. It will be interesting to see how much someone is
willing to pay for it.
On 11 Feb 2001, at 21:27, Jeff Hellige wrote:
For those that haven't seen it, someone just
posted a SOL-20
with North Star disk system, plus manuals on eBay. The opening bid he
is asking is $999, while his 'Buy it now' price is $3,000. The system
looks in decent enough shape, but it is missing it's front panel
lable. Given what some of the other early S-100 bus systems have gone
for recently, it will be interesting to see if he gets his opening
price or above.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1214195149
-----
David Williams - Computer Packrat
You can learn to like the life you live
or live the life you like.
dlw(a)trailingedge.com
http://www.trailingedge.com
5:49 a.m.
There's been a lot of hardware sold on eBay that had no assurance that it
would ever work, no documentation, missing parts, etc, and it's good to see
that people are putting enough value on that by bidding up the items that
are complete and, above all, CLEAN and undamaged.
I believe that the reason eBay prices offend so many of the folks who follow
this list is that they're accustomed to picking things out of the junk heap
and subsequently putting forth the effort to turn the "sow's ear" into the
desired "silk purse" by gather up what's needed to return the originally
junk hardware in to something of use, and, hence, of value. These high
prices simply reflect the fact that there are people out there who
appreciate that it does take lots of effort to return a 25-year-old piece of
stored-in-the-shed hardware in to a clean, functional, piece of computer
memorabilia complete with documentation and software, that actually does
something.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Williams" <dlw(a)trailingedge.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: Holy Crap! IMSAI's weren't this expensive when new!
I think that's the same guy who recently asked me
if I was
interested. At least everything in the auction seems the same. He
said he would put it on ebay if I wasn't interested. Well I was but it
became clear he wanted more than I was ready to pay. He
seemed pretty sure he could easily get $1000-$1500 for it on ebay
so I passed. It will be interesting to see how much someone is
willing to pay for it.
On 11 Feb 2001, at 21:27, Jeff Hellige wrote:
For those that haven't seen it, someone just
posted a SOL-20
with North Star disk system, plus manuals on eBay. The opening bid he
is asking is $999, while his 'Buy it now' price is $3,000. The system
looks in decent enough shape, but it is missing it's front panel
lable. Given what some of the other early S-100 bus systems have gone
for recently, it will be interesting to see if he gets his opening
price or above.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1214195149
-----
David Williams - Computer Packrat
You can learn to like the life you live
or live the life you like.
dlw(a)trailingedge.com
http://www.trailingedge.com
4:44 p.m.
I could almost agree except from what I understand, this guy did
none of those things. He found someone who already had a
complete setup in his garage and took it off his hands. He then
"fired it up" without testing the power supply first or anything else
and then began looking for a "buyer". Either way, he put it up on
ebay and I'm sure someone out there will pay him what he wants
for it. It's more than I'd pay but if someone else does and they're
happy then more power to them. I won't knock ebay, I've used it
myself to pick up systems (never sold on there) but I've found for
me that if I wait and watch long enough, I'll find the exact same
thing for much less at some point. Besides, it's much more fun to
be the one to pick up parts here and there and put that system
together myself than buy it lock, stock and barrel. Maybe that's
the difference between many of the people on this list and those
that spend big bucks on ebay.
On 12 Feb 2001, at 9:49, Richard Erlacher wrote:
There's been a lot of hardware sold on eBay that
had no assurance that
it would ever work, no documentation, missing parts, etc, and it's
good to see that people are putting enough value on that by bidding up
the items that are complete and, above all, CLEAN and undamaged.
I believe that the reason eBay prices offend so many of the folks who
follow this list is that they're accustomed to picking things out of
the junk heap and subsequently putting forth the effort to turn the
"sow's ear" into the desired "silk purse" by gather up what's
needed
to return the originally junk hardware in to something of use, and,
hence, of value. These high prices simply reflect the fact that there
are people out there who appreciate that it does take lots of effort
to return a 25-year-old piece of stored-in-the-shed hardware in to a
clean, functional, piece of computer memorabilia complete with
documentation and software, that actually does something.
Dick
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David Williams - Computer Packrat
You can learn to like the life you live
or live the life you like.
dlw(a)trailingedge.com
http://www.trailingedge.com
5:54 p.m.
... I won't knock ebay, I've used it
myself to pick up systems (never sold on there) but I've found for
me that if I wait and watch long enough, I'll find the exact same
thing for much less at some point.
This is very true. I tell people this all the time, for things that are
less than 20 yrs old (and thus have a very good chance of still being in
the original owner's possession) you can trade money for time. The issue is
always you know how much money 'now' but can't know how much time. After 20
years the original owners (especially for privately owned things) tend to
have disposed of them already so they are either already in a collector's
hands or in the dump.
--Chuck
7:18 p.m.
myself to pick
up systems (never sold on there) but I've found for
me that if I wait and watch long enough, I'll find the exact same
thing for much less at some point.
This is very true. I tell people this all the time, for things that are
less than 20 yrs old (and thus have a very good chance of still being in
the original owner's possession) you can trade money for time. The issue is
13 Feb
13 Feb
4:39 a.m.
On 12 Feb 2001, at 22:18, Mike Ford wrote:
The great risk is that by the time you find it, you
don't really want
it anymore.
Given how long I've wanted many of these systems, more than 20
years in some cases, I don't think that's really a problem. :)
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David Williams - Computer Packrat
You can learn to like the life you live
or live the life you like.
dlw(a)trailingedge.com
http://www.trailingedge.com
5:22 a.m.
"After a time, you may discover that Having, is not so pleasurable a thing
after all, as Wanting. It is not Logical. But it is often true."
-Mr Spock, "Amok Time", original Star Trek
On 12 Feb 2001, at 22:18, Mike Ford wrote:
The great risk is that by the time you find it,
you don't really want
it anymore.
Given how long I've wanted many of these systems, more than 20
years in some cases, I don't think that's really a problem. :)
-----
David Williams - Computer Packrat
You can learn to like the life you live
or live the life you like.
dlw(a)trailingedge.com
http://www.trailingedge.com
7:59 a.m.
On 13 Feb 2001, at 10:22, Lawrence LeMay wrote:
"After a time, you may discover that Having, is
not so pleasurable a
thing
after all, as Wanting. It is not Logical. But it is often true."
-Mr Spock, "Amok Time", original Star Trek
YMMV but I find most of his sayings to little bearing on real life in
general. At least for me. Call me illogical. :-)
As I found when I finally picked up an Exidy Sorcerer and the Sol-
20, two machines I've wanted the longest, that having the machine
and finally being able play with it was MUCH more pleasurable than
looking at the old ads and reviews and wishing I had one. And one
tends to learn a lot more about the machine as well. I'll take having
the system over wanting it any day.
-----
David Williams - Computer Packrat
You can learn to like the life you live
or live the life you like.
dlw(a)trailingedge.com
http://www.trailingedge.com
8:22 a.m.
On 13 Feb 2001, at 10:22, Lawrence LeMay wrote:
"Logic is a Tweeting Bird, that smells Awful!" - Mr Spock, "I, Mudd"
"After a time, you may discover that Having,
is not so pleasurable a
thing
after all, as Wanting. It is not Logical. But it is often true."
-Mr Spock, "Amok Time", original Star Trek
YMMV but I find most of his sayings to little bearing on real life in
general. At least for me. Call me illogical. :-)
9:37 a.m.
On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, David Williams wrote:
As I found when I finally picked up an Exidy Sorcerer
and the Sol-
20, two machines I've wanted the longest, that having the machine
and finally being able play with it was MUCH more pleasurable than
looking at the old ads and reviews and wishing I had one. And one
tends to learn a lot more about the machine as well. I'll take having
the system over wanting it any day.
To this, Spockrates might have said:
"There cannot be having without wanting."
:)
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
12:12 p.m.
On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Mike Ford wrote:
One does not "have" a pimple on the nose. Rather, one only endures a
pimple on the nose.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
To this,
Spockrates might have said:
"There cannot be having without wanting."
A pimple on the nose easily disproves that. 
2:54 a.m.
At 08:54 PM 2/12/01 -0800, Chuck McManis wrote:
This is very true. I tell people this all the time, for
things that are less than 20 yrs old (and thus have a very good chance of still being in
the original owner's possession) you can trade money for time.
Three cheers for eBay's ability to fulfill wishes held since early
in life. Lately I've been acquiring toys I miss from childhood:
latest acquisition, a TOG'L building-block set.
- John
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