Quothe Tarsi, from writings of Sat, Mar 22, 2003 at 10:20:02PM -0600: That's what I had installed, until I attempted an upgrade to 7.6.1. My Centris has 7.6.1 on it, along with the FreePPP software that I was using with it. Hopefully what I did wrong will be a lesson for others to help prevent others from making their systems unbootable. What I did was create an Appleshare connection between the Centris and the PowerPC then: (1) rename the old system folder (2) copy the 7.6.1 folder with FreePPP to the PowerPC, (3) "bless" the new system folder by removing finder from the old system folder. When I booted, everything appeared to be ok, temporarily, until the little window with a bomb symbol in it in appeared when trying to get appleshare working. Upon activating more of the extensions, that problem was solved, but, after enabling more of the extensions, there was what appeared to be a memory problem which I didn't have before. The system kept hanging as the extensions loaded after booting; this, I understood, was indicative of a problem with the desktop, which I attempted rebuilding (after first booting with no extensions and turning all of the extensions off). Since I didn't have the software necessary to unhide and delete the finder preferences file, I ignored that step. Everything appeared to be working ok, until I shut the machine down and turned it back on at a later time. The problem of the machine hanging appeared again as the extensions were loading. After playing around with the extensions, turning some more of them off again, now the machine refuses to boot at all, just the little mac with a "?" appears on the screen. It was a pleasantly surprising find. :-) -- Copyright (C) 2002 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & rdd(a)rddavis.org 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty.