1 May
2016
1 May
'16
12:32 a.m.
fido news when he became editor and they are lamenting the Internet
taking away from fido net....
https://gopherproxy.meulie.net/gopher.meulie.net/0/fidonews/2002/fido1902.nw
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In a message dated 4/30/2016 7:43:59 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
geneb at deltasoft.com writes:
On Sun, 1 May 2016, Tomasz Rola wrote:
Pardon my ignorant question but is there a place on the net where I
could read some more about it? Or maybe it is short enough to explain
here?
Books could be written about it unfortunately, One of the more annoying
aspects is Bjorn Felten, the current editor of FidoNews - he's refused
repeated requests to pass on his editor duties for various reasons and
he's refused - for at least the last 10 years. Find a telnetable BBS
that's a member of FidoNet and start reading the FidoNews echo for a taste
of the insanity. The Fido Sysop (FNSYSOP) is also a pretty deranged
place.
g.
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On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 10:07:34AM -0700, geneb
wrote:
to
On Wed, 27 Apr 2016, Sean Conner wrote:
[...]
>> Just look into the political machinations of what was known as FidoNet
see how this could end up.
What IS known as FidoNet (1:138/142 here. :) ) and it's still a
political shit-show, mostly due to people from Zone 2. *sigh* 
3 May
3 May
4:30 p.m.
On Sun, May 01, 2016 at 03:32:21AM -0400, COURYHOUSE at aol.com wrote:
fido news when he became editor and they are lamenting
the Internet
taking away from fido net....
https://gopherproxy.meulie.net/gopher.meulie.net/0/fidonews/2002/fido1902.nw
s
In a message dated 4/30/2016 7:43:59 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
geneb at deltasoft.com writes:
On Sun, 1 May 2016, Tomasz Rola wrote:
Pardon my ignorant question but is there a place on the net where I
could read some more about it? Or maybe it is short enough to explain
here?
Books could be written about it unfortunately, One of the more annoying
aspects is Bjorn Felten, the current editor of FidoNews - he's refused
repeated requests to pass on his editor duties for various reasons and
he's refused - for at least the last 10 years. Find a telnetable BBS
that's a member of FidoNet and start reading the FidoNews echo for a taste
of the insanity. The Fido Sysop (FNSYSOP) is also a pretty deranged
place.
Thanks, both of you. Indeed the editorial of 1902 news was creepy. As
of telneting, I almost registered to such BBS but at the very last
moment backed off. The reason was I can see how this kind of place can
be a real time sucker. I have already spent whole Sunday browsing this
gopher site with lynx (I turned gateway address into proper gopher://
one). It was a hell of a joy, because I do not think I knew of meulie
before. I was only poking at gopher.floodgap.com semi-regularly during
last umpteen months.
Now I even started to think, very shyly, how nice would it have been
to posess even one real IP4 number and have one such thing on my
router. It can run Linux (or so OpenWRT guys claim), so it can run
gopherd too. Albeit I would rather have non-Linux on it. My dreams
always have this complicated multistory property. Of course my cabletv
can sell me "business" service. Ugh. This is tempting but I am
strong. :-)
Ah, ok. I still have nothing to show off. So there is no reason to go
gopher. That was easy. Maybe next time.
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Tomasz Rola
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** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home **
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On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 10:07:34AM -0700, geneb
wrote:
to
On Wed, 27 Apr 2016, Sean Conner wrote:
[...]
>> Just look into the political machinations of what was known as FidoNet see how this could end up.
What IS known as FidoNet (1:138/142 here. :) ) and it's still a
political shit-show, mostly due to people from Zone 2. *sigh* 
4 May
4 May
6:09 a.m.
On Wed, 4 May 2016, Tomasz Rola wrote:
Now I even started to think, very shyly, how nice
would it have been
to posess even one real IP4 number and have one such thing on my
router. It can run Linux (or so OpenWRT guys claim), so it can run
gopherd too. Albeit I would rather have non-Linux on it. My dreams
always have this complicated multistory property. Of course my cabletv
can sell me "business" service. Ugh. This is tempting but I am
strong. :-)
There are services like http://www.noip.com/free where you can get a DNS
entry for dynamically changing IP addresses. This way you can run a BBS
without having to buy a business class account.
You could even bring up an AWS instance for about $5 a month, which is
great for doing BBS work. :)
g.
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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
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2:47 p.m.
On Wed, May 04, 2016 at 06:09:00AM -0700, geneb wrote:
Yeah... unless I am behind a NAT - and I believe I am behind at least
two, of which at least one is out of my control, hence no making holes
(or tunnels). So if I wanted to host it at home, I would have to buy
business account. And build me some "infrastructure". At the moment,
time is a limited resource and I have to spent it wisely.
On Wed, 4 May 2016, Tomasz Rola wrote:
>Now I even started to think, very shyly, how nice would it have been
[...]
can sell me
"business" service. Ugh. This is tempting but I am
strong. :-)
There are services like http://www.noip.com/free where you can get a
DNS entry for dynamically changing IP addresses. This way you can
run a BBS without having to buy a business class account. You could even bring up an AWS instance for about $5 a
month, which
is great for doing BBS work. :)
Hehe, trying to lure me? See, maybe I would went for it when world and
I were a bit younger. Nowadays... I believe a so called "provider" is
responsible for what he provides, even if he did not do anything
himself. So I would have to be on a permament watch, catching
probabilistic but maybe just imagined guys who would like to pee into
my morning tea for fun or (their own) profit. Or rather, please
themselves without any regard for my morning tea or me.
Looking from such angle, I guess it is much easier to do just small
personal type of a project, read-only static pages etc. We will see. A
project or two later, few unread books later, we will see. Well I am
not sure what we will see, but just seeing is great thing to do, too
:-).
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Regards,
Tomasz Rola
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** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home **
** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... **
** **
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6:21 p.m.
New subject: Crippled connectivity [was Re: FidoNet ....show [was: History [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email...]
There are
services like http://www.noip.com/free where you can get a
DNS entry for dynamically changing IP addresses. This way you can
run a BBS without having to buy a business class account.
Yeah... unless I am
behind a NAT - and I believe I am behind at least
two, of which at least one is out of my control, hence no making
holes (or tunnels). from the inside. I too have a host (at work)
that's behind double NAT;
it initiates and maintains a tunnel connection to an
external host, and
voila! my external hosts can reach the internal host. Not as good as
native connectivity, but it works "well enough". (Yes, work knows
about it. They don't mind.)
Of course, this needs a friendly host on the outside. In my case, I
find that cost well worth paying....
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5 May
5 May
7:25 p.m.
New subject: Crippled connectivity [was Re: FidoNet ....show]
On Wed, May 04, 2016 at 09:21:18PM -0400, Mouse wrote:
[...]
Sure you can tunnel; you just have to initiate the
tunnel connection
from the inside. I too have a host (at work) that's behind double NAT;
[...]
Of course, this needs a friendly host on the outside. In my case, I
find that cost well worth paying....
Sure, with a friendly frontend one can do plenty. I am actually doing
such tunnel on a daily basis, just am not charming enough to have
custom built server demon installed in my name :-) (and no port
forwarding either).
But I think there is no particular need for me to perform such
sophisticated tricks, like maybe editing ssh to concoct a demon
forwarding traffic to-fro my home server. It is of course fine thing
to do, but also time consuming a bit. And I think in maybe not very
long time IPv6 will be very hard to ignore by ISPs like mine. Right
now, they are selling from their IPv4 pool, while they can. Later,
either they will switch to giving real IPv6 addresses by default, or
maybe someone else will.
In the meantime, I may have fun with other stuff. There is more than I
can play with. Just one I try to find time for: PDP8 assembler - I
know it is so small it could probably become my first memorized
assembler ever, including octal patterns, and yet I have other things
to do that are a bit more important. Why would I fight a problem that
is doomed to go away if I wait just a little bit more?
Just thinking out loud. But thanks for suggestions, always welcomed.
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Regards,
Tomasz Rola
--
** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. **
** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home **
** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... **
** **
** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_rola at bigfoot.com **
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