There were some external floppy drives for the NeXT machines that used the SCSI bus. Jeff

I agree, as any machine I spend any kind of time with generally has it or has it added, whether Mac, PC, Amiga or whatever. Even my laptop and PS/2 portable have SCSI adapters installed. There are those that dislike fooling with the SCSI 'voodoo' though. It can be a pain at times. Jeff -- Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File http://www.cchaven.com http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757

Gary Hildebrand skrev: Then you haven't added it to PCs. =) PS/2s which are built with SCSI in mind seem to behave well, but adding it to IDE motherboards seldom works out for me. -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a.

Neither have I, including old XT systems. My first handheld color and color flatbed scanners came with their own Trantor based SCSI cards as well. -> -----Original Message----- -> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Eric Dittman -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 12:02 PM -> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> Subject: Re: 2.88 MB floppy drive, scsi? -> -> -> > >What's the fuss about adding SCSI . . . In my world I consider that a -> > >necessity -> > -> > Then you haven't added it to PCs. =) -> > PS/2s which are built with SCSI in mind seem to behave well, -> but adding it to -> > IDE motherboards seldom works out for me. -> -> I've never had much of a problem adding SCSI to my x86 systems. -> -- -> Eric Dittman -> dittman(a)dittman.net -> Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/ ->

2930 or maybe 2906 is the trouble maker.

Jeff Hellige said: I have both a 29160U2W and a 2940UW in my machine at work and they make me very happy. - Dan Wright (dtwright(a)uiuc.edu) (http://www.uiuc.edu/~dtwright) -] ------------------------------ [-] -------------------------------- [- ``Weave a circle round him thrice, / And close your eyes with holy dread, For he on honeydew hath fed, / and drunk the milk of Paradise.'' Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Kubla Khan

I've used Adaptec, Trantor, Mylex, IBM, Maxtor, DPT, and LSI Logic without trouble in PCs. Peace... Sridhar On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Geoff Reed wrote:

I get dozens of cheap old PCs, mostly that I scrap, but I few that I like to play with. They are often quite functional in original configuration, and my investment in them is maybe $5. OTOH an Adaptec 2940 card is worth $35, and so far, since my bid of $13.29 didn't win, that makes the total cost of putting a 2.88 drive in an old PC kind of dumb. Oddly enough all the PS/2 I have include excellent SCSI controllers of all types, and use the 2.88 floppies I can get at no cost at all (brand new ones on ebay are $8).

Mike Ford skrev: It's quite possible to adapt PS/2 floppies to the common PC interface. A friend of mine converted them for Amiga use, and the difference between the Amiga and PC interfaces are negligible. Since PS/2 floppies are a lot more common than SCSI ones, I'd say you'd better slaughter some PS/2s. -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. "Auf Sparc-Maschinen ist Linux weit weniger gut. Auf Maschinen mit sun4 Architektur ist NetBSD etwa 30% schneller. Wer auf so einer Maschine Linux faehrt tut es aus ideologischen Gruenden oder kennt nichts anderes." Aus: de.comp.os.unix.misc, "Was ist schneller?"

On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Tony Duell wrote: THAT part is trivial. What is a little harder is that a 2.8M drive (It is NOT 2.88 for anybody who knows how to multiply) uses a data transfer rate of about 1 Meg bits per second - twice that of the 1.4M. Although, in theory, it would be "possible" to build a drive that spun at 150RPM to be able to use the slower data transfer rate that 1.4M drives are accustomed to. (It was done with 1.2M 5.25" in order to add high density to XT controllers!) -- Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com

Marvin Johnston skrev: I know the company for their monitors. I've got two Sigma Designs Pageview GS portrait greyscale monitors. They're great. They also made on of the most odd contraptions ever, a SCSI colour monitor. -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson

On 11 Oct 2001, Iggy Drougge wrote: I'd like to hear more about this SCSI monitor - was it data over SCSI, or some kind of control thing, or what? Dan Linder / dlinder @ uiuc.edu Graduate Student, College of Engineering, Dept. of Computer Science - Dept. of Computer Science Teaching Assistant - DRES Computer Accessibility Researcher

XenoSoft skrev: [snip] That was also done by good old cost-cutting Commodore in order to add HD capabilities to the Amiga 3000 and 4000. They ordered a batch of custom-made drives which would step down to half the rate when using HD floppies, so that the same old floppy controller could keep up. Which makes using Commodore's HD drives nearly unbearably slow, I might add. There are other solutions, though, such as Power Computing's drives or the Catweasel. -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a.

I'd like to find one of the external Dell HD floppies for the Amiga. Nice drives and I wish I had kept mine. I missed out on the one that was up on eBay a couple of weeks ago. I've never tried any of the Amtrade HD drives. Jeff -- Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File http://www.cchaven.com http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757

Message in a bottle ??? Sellam Ismail wrote: > > On Tue, 9 Oct 2001, Tarsi wrote: > > > 4) Any other interesting topologies I should try? I have plans to > > do: Arcnet, FDDI, Token ring, Localtalk, 10b2, 10b5, 10bT, 10bTX, > > 10bFiber, and (eventually) 802.11b wireless. > > > Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

Hi Greg, Ahhhh, What are Chinese whispers? Also, I hope you don't mind my asking, but is the US in disfavor with the citizens of New Zealand? And if so, why? Greg Ewing wrote:

As a Canadian, I can only second that and offer my sympathy. The majority of U.S. citizens seem woefully ignorant of the affects around the world of U.S corporate and foreign policy. And no, I'm not anti the US people. My wife of many years was an US-American, as well as both my parents. I also lived in the US several years and have many old friends and relatives there. I've found them a warm and open people. Since I have a claim to dual-citizenship I could have lived there had I wished. I prefer my country and it's social policies, like you, I'm sure. I don't envy the US in the least. I just want to keep the things I love about Canada and not have it become even more a subsiduary of the US. N.Z. is more fortunate in that it isn't right next door to the beast and you don't have a "free" trade agreement. A measure of US regard is that most in the US don't consider the many peoples and countries in the Americas as "American". Sorry for the OT and I don't wish to offend my neighbors, but the US bafflement at foreign resentment gets to me at times. Now back to 'puters. Lawrence Reply to: lgwalker(a)mts.net

This is my last OT comment, since we ARE a classic computer mailing list and just went thru that rash of OT msgs. Again, my apologies. Don the point that I was trying to make was not that you obviously have foreign investment in the global economy, but that the US government exerts it's considerable economic and media clout to further it's corporate presence and ideology in countries around the world to the detriment of most of those country's people. For example years ago an attempt was made to restrict the virtual monopoly Hollywood has on the distribution of films in the Canadian market, thus encouraging the production of Canadian films, which would be on the no longer h-wood monopolized theatre booking lists. Jack Valenti, h-wood's main lobbyist campaigned very vigorously against it in Washington and the Can government was forced to bow to US pressure. We now have little or no Can films being produced independantly. A similiar thing happened to advertising tax exemptions in the Can editions of US magazines. Time, etc. just throws in a few extra pages, calls it Canadian and gets all the benefits meant to encourage canadian press.The Canadian government passed a act to disallow it amidst screams of outrage pressures less than about a month later. During the oil crisis, oil destined for Can was diverted to US ports which ultimately caused PM Trudeau to set up a Can company to prevent this happening again. As happened in the US when the big agribusiness corps like Cargill forced the small farmers off the farm, the same thing is going on here. But since Cargill and others are US businesses supported by thier government there is much less accountability to the plight of the poor farmers. Our medicare, beloved by all Canadians, is under threat now due to the avericious propaganda by US assembly-line medical mega-corps greedily eyeing the Canadian market and US government efforts to undermine it through International trade agreements. At present if hit by a major medical expense our homes are not at risk. Our lumber exports to the US were just hit with a prohibitive tax due to US lobbying by timber interests, throwing thousands out of work (and incidentally, increasing the cost to US consumers). Not to mention the decimation of our manufacturing industry and more by the implimentation and manipulation of NAFTA. These are but a few examples, the tip of the iceberg. Of course,since, but for a few exceptions like CBC and local media, the US media overwhelmingly controls what most Canadians see and listen to, we are very much influenced by it to our own detriment in many cases. And this is to the US's closest "friend" and largest trading "partner". Imagine what it's like for more distant countries. 'Nuff said. Lawrence Reply to: lgwalker(a)mts.net

On Mon, 15 Oct 2001, Jim Davis wrote: America's exemplary educational system rears its ugly head. Wake up, indeed. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

I like the diversity of the world, with the opportunity to look at various cultures and political systems with the results easy to compare. Its, its like running all the different kinds of networks. ;)

Hello Greg, We, the people of the US, are at the mercy of these same companies. And they are not all US companies. There are some that are European and Japanese based? I might be wrong, because I'm not going to look it up at this time, but Phillips, Gillette, Shell, Daimler Benz, etc? I submit that these companies are not even the companies of one single nation anymore, but multi-nationals that owe their allegiance not to one nation, but primarily to themselves, whose power and influence extends globally. Have you any idea how much of Waikiki property is owned by the Japanese? Greg Ewing wrote: