21 May
2000
21 May
'00
3:19 p.m.
On May 21, Zane H. Healy wrote:
Since this is related to getting 2.11BSD up on my
PDP-11/73 I figure it's
Semi-OT.
OK, I figured since I'd had to pull the TZ30 I might as well just plug it
into the DECstation 5000/133 I've got. I take it that such a beasty won't
recognize a TZ30? Doing a "CNFG 3" turned up the two RZ25's in the thing,
but not the tapedrive, and I couldn't see it from Ultrix 4.3 either.
Hmm...can't help you with that; never tried it. I do remember,
however, reading something recently (here? or maybe NetBSD's
port-vax list?) about the TZ30 not being a well-behaved SCSI citizen
and needing some tweaks in somebody's (NetBSD's?) SCSI driver somewhere
to work properly.
Coincidentally though, Zane, I'm doing the same thing tonight...I
just finished putting together an 11/73 and now (in parallel with a
few other things) I'm trying to figure out how to get the
distribution onto a TK50.
I have a MicroVAX 3100-80 running VMS 7.2 with a TZ30...perhaps I
could write that tape there? Anybody know what VMS incantations I'd
have to do to "get there from here"?
Once again I'm asking myself *why* am I doing
this, I like my UNIX
lightening fast and flashy.
Well, I've never run Unix on an '11...but you and I both have run a
lot of 11s in our day, and you know darn well there's nothing
slouchy about a J11. ;)
-Dave McGuire
21 May
21 May
3:31 p.m.
On May 21, Zane H. Healy wrote:
You can fit the entire distribution on a TK50 tape. I used
a DECstation 5000/20 running Ultrix to produce a TK50 tape
that will boot on my 11/73. There is a C program that comes
with the 2.11 distribution that can be used to build a
distribution tape. You just need to compile it on your system,
it probably only runs under Unix, and point it at your tape
drive. The process of producing a tape takes around 20 or
30 minutes, if I remember correctly.
The biggest problem that I had in the entire process was
flakey disks on the 11/73. The standard 2.11 distribution
doesn't handle bad blocks, so if you are using a RD5X drive
it had better be free of bad blocks, at least in the first
few cylinders where the root and swap file systems are
placed.
--
Dr. Mark Green mark(a)cs.ualberta.ca
Professor (780) 492-4584
Director, Research Institute for Multimedia Systems (RIMS)
Department of Computing Science (780) 492-1071 (FAX)
University of Alberta, Edmonton, Alberta, T6G 2H1, Canada
Since this is related to getting 2.11BSD up on my
PDP-11/73 I figure it's
Semi-OT.
OK, I figured since I'd had to pull the TZ30 I might as well just plug it
into the DECstation 5000/133 I've got. I take it that such a beasty won't
recognize a TZ30? Doing a "CNFG 3" turned up the two RZ25's in the thing,
but not the tapedrive, and I couldn't see it from Ultrix 4.3 either.
Hmm...can't help you with that; never tried it. I do remember,
however, reading something recently (here? or maybe NetBSD's
port-vax list?) about the TZ30 not being a well-behaved SCSI citizen
and needing some tweaks in somebody's (NetBSD's?) SCSI driver somewhere
to work properly.
Coincidentally though, Zane, I'm doing the same thing tonight...I
just finished putting together an 11/73 and now (in parallel with a
few other things) I'm trying to figure out how to get the
distribution onto a TK50. 
4:15 p.m.
Hmm...can't help you with that; never tried it.
I do remember,
however, reading something recently (here? or maybe NetBSD's
port-vax list?) about the TZ30 not being a well-behaved SCSI citizen
and needing some tweaks in somebody's (NetBSD's?) SCSI driver somewhere
to work properly.
I know it's fussy on PC SCSI controllers, but I expected it to work on a
DECstation since some of the older ones came with TZ30's. I'm suspecting
the 5000/133 is too new of a model to support it (sort of like trying to
use a RRD40 (think that's the right designation for the external SCSI
CD-ROM with the wierd caddies) on a Alpha (though the Alpha will recognize
it, the software won't allow it).
Sounds like it's a good thing I didn't waste my time trying to finish
getting NetBSD up and running on the DECstation.
I also tried it on my PII/333 Linux box, with a Diamond UW-SCSI card, but
didn't really expect that to work. I swear that (*$ ^&@* thing won't talk
to anything but a Exabyte tape drive!
Coincidentally though, Zane, I'm doing the same
thing tonight...I
just finished putting together an 11/73 and now (in parallel with a
few other things) I'm trying to figure out how to get the
distribution onto a TK50.
I have a MicroVAX 3100-80 running VMS 7.2 with a TZ30...perhaps I
could write that tape there? Anybody know what VMS incantations I'd
have to do to "get there from here"?
*I WISH*!!!! If that was the case I'd have just stuffed a cleaned TK50
drive in the MicroVAX 3 in the garage (been meaning to anyway). However,
reading the doc's on BACKUP, the smallest blocksize it supports is 2048,
and to make the boot tape you need 512 and 1024-byte blocks. Is there a
VMS equivalent of 'dd'? Dang, the person at work I loaned my UNIX for VMS
Users book must still have it :^( It's not on the shelf where it belongs.
I've got my RSX-11 drives in the /73 at the moment (gotta love SCSI drive
sleds), and had originally planned on using PIP to put the files on the
tape. BTW, do you have any idea how long it takes to do a DECnet copy of
those files? Sheesh! Just that killed several hours.
Anyway I'm thinking using PIP and telling it the Block-Size *should* work.
That's when the TZ30 decided to act up. I think I've got that taken care
of, now I've got to scrounge up another tape.
Once again
I'm asking myself *why* am I doing this, I like my UNIX
lightening fast and flashy.
Well, I've never run Unix on an '11...but you and I both have run a
lot of 11s in our day, and you know darn well there's nothing
slouchy about a J11. ;)
-Dave McGuire 
22 May
22 May
10:18 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)aracnet.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 19:15
Subject: Re: Semi-OT: DECstation/TZ30 question
I know it's fussy on PC SCSI controllers, but I
expected it to work on a
DECstation since some of the older ones came with TZ30's. I'm suspecting
the 5000/133 is too new of a model to support it (sort of like trying to
use a RRD40 (think that's the right designation for the external SCSI
CD-ROM with the wierd caddies) on a Alpha (though the Alpha will recognize
it, the software won't allow it).
I guess you're doing something wrong there. That's exactly the way i made my
2.11BSD tapes a year ago. A TZ30 on a DecStation 5000/133 running NetBSD.
No problems.
cheers,
emanuel
10:28 a.m.
emanuel stiebler wrote:
I guess you're doing something wrong there.
That's exactly the way i made
Sounds like maybe I should find some time to get NetBSD on the DECstation
then. Though I still would have thought it would recognize the tapedrive
my 2.11BSD tapes a year ago. A TZ30 on a
DecStation 5000/133 running
NetBSD.
No problems. from the monitor like it did the RZ25's.
Zane
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11:15 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)aracnet.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 13:28
Subject: Re: Semi-OT: DECstation/TZ30 question
emanuel stiebler wrote:
I get with "cnfg 3"
---------------------------------------------------
DEV PID VID REV SCSI DEV
===== ================== ========== ====== ========
rz0 DSP3105S DEC T384 DIR
tz5 SEQ
cheers,
emanuel
I guess you're doing something wrong there.
That's exactly the way i made
Sounds like maybe I should find some time to get NetBSD on the DECstation
then. Though I still would have thought it would recognize the tapedrive
from the monitor like it did the RZ25's. my 2.11BSD tapes a year ago. A TZ30 on a
DecStation 5000/133 running
NetBSD.
No problems.
1:14 p.m.
From: <healyzh(a)aracnet.com>
> DEV PID VID
REV SCSI DEV
> ===== ================== ========== ====== ========
> rz0 DSP3105S DEC T384 DIR
> tz5 SEQ
Thanks, looks like I've got some sort of problem
then. Blast!
If you want, i could send you one of the 2.11BSD tapes.
cheers,
emanuel
1:39 p.m.
From: <healyzh(a)aracnet.com>
Actually I'm stuborn enough I'd like to manage it myself, as that's part of
how I justify all this equipment to myself :^) However, if I continue to
fail I'll keep the offer in mind.
Zane
> DEV PID VID
REV SCSI DEV
> ===== ================== ========== ====== ========
> rz0 DSP3105S DEC T384 DIR
> tz5 SEQ
Thanks, looks like I've got some sort of
problem then. Blast!
If you want, i could send you one of the 2.11BSD tapes.
cheers,
emanuel
1:55 p.m.
From: <healyzh(a)aracnet.com>
Actually I'm stuborn enough I'd like to manage
it myself, as that's part
of
how I justify all this equipment to myself :^)
And I wanted to have a use for it ;-)
However, if I continue to fail I'll keep the offer
in mind.
Was exactly what I meant ! ;-)
cheers,
emanuel
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