But maybe it's only because they do (and design) today everything in the ISO 900x way - Documentation is everything, personal engagment and responsibility is nothing. Just keep in mind, 900x evolved from several rules inside the military/ supply industry to avoide any responibility for failure (tecnical/cost). Gruss H. (Sorry, to go off topic so fast, but I belive we need no mysterious conspiracy to describe the world, we have more than enough buerocracy and incompetence) -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK