A what model AlphaServer? There isn't such a beast. Me thinks I'm jealous though! Actaully all you should need to do is just order the CD from Montagar for $20. You'll really need more RAM though, unless you find a version of OpenVMS older than V7.2. I've found that 112MB is the minimum for acceptable performance when running DECwindows, or 96MB without DECwindows installed. Zane

Ah, OK, I'm not to jealous then, I thought it might be a 4000. If that's the one I think it is, it looks like an interesting box. What I really want is a AlphaServer 1000A or 1200. Good question, I guess you do. Sounds like you need to hound Encompass and get a membership. The downside being I'm not sure what a 400 uses for RAM. I suspect it might be 72-pin True Parity SIMMs, hopefully that's the case, since while they're expensive they're affordable compared to some. Zane

Sure there is, the *VAX* version of OpenVMS will run quite nicely on a MicroVAX II. A bit slow, but it will run. I was talking about the *Alpha* version of OpenVMS. I thought that would be obvious. BTW, read the OpenVMS SPD, you'll find a MicroVAX II with 16MB is about the minimum supported by OpenVMS V7.2. You'll probably want to leave DECwindows off the MicroVAX II unless you've actually got a video card and monitor for it. Zane

Well, keep in mind you can run OpenVMS with DECwindows on a 16MB MicroVAX II system, but that doesn't mean you're going to get acceptable performance. Actually I'm not sure what kind of performance you'll get, I've not tried to run V7.2 w/DECwindows on anything less than a VAXstation 4000/vlc. I know people have run it in even less RAM than that even though it's not supported. Also as far as I know the VAX DECwindows install doesn't include CDE (Common Desktop Environment) which is something of a pig. BTW, you can install OpenVMS V7.2 on an Alpha with only 64MB of RAM (I've heard it won't install on a system with less). However, again that doesn't mean you'll enjoy it. So the minimum RAM requirements are 16MB for VAX and 64MB for Alpha. Go for it, but you might want to run an earlier version of VMS if you can find it. But even V7.2 is a better use for it than NetBSD :^) After all the only DEC hardware NetBSD belongs on are the MIPS based boxes :^) Zane

Why on earth would you want a Linux box or Windows box? OK, I admit I've got a couple Linux boxes. One is primarily for working from home, the other is a dedicated box for running a PDP-10 emulator (doesn't even run X-Windows). Zane

Three weeks ago, I'd have questioned your sanity :^) However, the release version of MacOS X isn't to bad. The amazing thing I noticed was at least one app that wouldn't work right under 9.0 & Public Beta seems to work fine under 9.1 & Release. Namely my old copy of eXodus v6.1.2. Having said that after about three days of trying to get it to work I'm back to using 8.6 on my G4/450. Why, becuase the B********* dropped classic Appletalk support so I can't mount the Appletalk shares on my OpenVMS server, and I can't get it to mount the NFS exports on the OpenVMS server (it'll mount them from a Solaris box, and the Solaris box will mount them from the OpenVMS box). Yeah, I'm more than a little pissed at Apple, but you're right it's pretty good. Though I also seriously prefer the Platinum interface. BTW, am I the *ONLY* person that *LIKES* CDE? Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

I think it's much nicer than other "brands" of X, but I'm not an X fan to start with. Also on the ANS, it's 1024x768x256 max, so it's kind of a drag in that sense. Rather have a 16-bit colour workstation. -- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu -- How can you be in two places at once when you're not anywhere at all? -- F.T.

On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 healyzh(a)aracnet.com wrote: I'd like one of those VLCs, it really looks smart. Then I suppose my VMS escapades will have to be postponed for a moment, since I'm having a hard time finding any ECC memory for my AlphaPCI133, much less 64 whopping megs. Agreed, I've got a 5000/200 running sysinst nonstop. It's quite a quiet box as long as you don't add any drives. =) What would be the minimum version of VMS with DECwindows, without being downright mean to the user? Sigh, electricity bills and "big" iron don't go well together.

On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, Zane H. Healy wrote: No, but there are inofficial patches. We've got an entire VMS doc set, but all our TK cartridges seem to be Ultrix. Wonder where the software has gone. Pas de probl?me for us. =)

On Fri, 6 Apr 2001 healyzh(a)aracnet.com wrote: Bugger! It just laid there when we moved in. Would it be worth running on a DS3100 with mono buffer?

Any interest in a AT&T WGS 6386? I bought two of them at a scrap yard, just CPU, and recently one more came in with monitor and keyboard. They are going to be scrapped, as I really don't know what to do with them. Unfortunately, no docs or disks of any kind.

Found your web site, gotta love the power of all those search engines when turned loose. You really ought to mention the URL to the whole list though, quite a bit of stuff. You have a bunch of AT&T software, including two sets of customer diagnostics for the 6386. I'm just not sure if I want to get into yet another project myself. Thinking on it though. ;)