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From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at
classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Noel
Chiappa
Sent: 06 February 2015 00:17
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Cc: jnc at
mercury.lcs.mit.edu
Subject: Re: It's time to restore the 11/45 - progress!
From: Jacob Ritorto
I guess this crowbar thing tripping, is just its
way of trying to
protect the rest of the system from overcurrent, right?
Over-voltage. Voltage != current. :-)
> And the dried up cap is one thing what could make it think there was
an
overcurrent
situation, correct?
I think the concept is that the cap could have shorted out, thereby
causing a
too-high voltage to pass through it - or something
like that! :-) In
general, cause
the circuit to mis-behave.
I don't know that I'm going to understand
how to read the schematic.
I struggle with the analog circuits too. Just keep plugging away at it,
each will
slowly start to make sense. (Not the most
complicated/sophisticated
aspects,
but if you understand a lot of what's going on,
I'm sure someone here can
help
on the tricky bits.)
Also going to try to find a manual that describes
the power supply.
DEC's maintainence/technical manuals are very good indeed for explaining
how the analog circuits work - especially for those of us who can't just
glance
at
a schematic and instantly, intuitively understand how
the whole thing
works.
For me, reading them is really pretty much a must
before trying to
debug/repair analog stuff.
But what is a valid test once I find it?
This is where you need test instruments; an ESR meter (although that's not
a
universal solvent), a capacitance meter, etc, etc.
(Also an ohmmeter, to
check
for shorted caps.)
I don't have much electronics gear here.
If you seriously expect to repair something like an 11/45, at a _minimum_
you
need a decent 'scope. Don't even _try_
thinking you can do it without one.
Fuhgeddaboutit.
I like Tektronix 465's - they are common on eBay, and if you're patient,
you can
get one for $60-70. They are also a 'scope much
used on these machines
BITD.
(We did.)
Past that? Well, there are things that are nice to have (e.g. a
de-soldering
station), but you can often work around them (e.g. a
pair of dikes and a
solder
sucker).
I am sooo happy that I finally bought a desoldering station. Not an
expensive one, but it really does make life easier.
A logic analyser would be nice, and I keep meaning to get one, but I
haven't, yet, so they aren't essential.
(Although for _some_ faults, a
'scope just
doesn't cut it. If you can write a loop, fine. If
not... time for a logic
analyzer.)
I am starting to feel the need for one of these. I bought a cheap Thurlby
one a few months ago, but the membrane keyboard doesn't work, even though
the rest of it seems fine :( My backup plan is to use a Spartan 3 dev board
as a self-made logic analyser. I will connect it to the pods I got with the
Thurlby.
Rob
I'm trying to think what else is absolutely essential, past the 'scope
(and
the
meter - you ought to buy your own, they aren't
that much). Nothing comes
to
mind immediately - perhaps someone else here can add
to the list.
Noel