21 Dec
2001
21 Dec
'01
5:18 a.m.
I will be heading to a computer market tomorrow
in Amsterdam and am on the lookout for an
IBM RS/6000 7012-3XX type box.
I found quite a bit of technical information
at the IBM web site but was interested in a few
other details.
Assuming I find one:
1. How important is it that it have a key?
2. How important is it that it have media
or able to boot up? (Can I download and install
the appropriate version somewhere?)
3. What is an approximate cash value?
4. Are components easy to come by or should
I really take a look to make sure everything
is there?
Thank you,
Bill
Amsterdam, NL
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21 Dec
21 Dec
7:57 a.m.
What kinda computer market is that in Amsterdam ?
That's about 40 miles from my place ..............
Sipke de Wal
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----- Original Message -----
From: William S . <wilby98(a)yahoo.com>
To: <geeks(a)sunhelp.org>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 8:18 PM
Subject: [geeks] IBM RS/6000 7012-3XX
I will be heading to a computer market tomorrow
in Amsterdam and am on the lookout for an
IBM RS/6000 7012-3XX type box.
I found quite a bit of technical information
at the IBM web site but was interested in a few
other details.
Assuming I find one:
1. How important is it that it have a key?
2. How important is it that it have media
or able to boot up? (Can I download and install
the appropriate version somewhere?)
3. What is an approximate cash value?
4. Are components easy to come by or should
I really take a look to make sure everything
is there?
Thank you,
Bill
Amsterdam, NL
_______________________________________________
GEEKS: http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/geeks
8:14 a.m.
It is tomorrow at the RAI Center starting at
10.00 uur.
www.rai.nl
It is PCDumpDag.
Bill
Amsterdam, NL
On Fri, Dec 21, 2001 at 10:57:34PM +0100, Sipke de Wal wrote:
What kinda computer market is that in Amsterdam ?
That's about 40 miles from my place ..............
Sipke de Wal
8:35 a.m.
On Fri, 21 Dec 2001, William S . wrote:
Assuming I find one:
1. How important is it that it have a key?
Either have a key or "mknod /dev/big_screwdriver" and be handy with a
soldering iron. The key not only locks the cabinet, but controls the
boot sequence. You need it.
2. How important is it that it have media
or able to boot up? (Can I download and install
the appropriate version somewhere?)
The 7012 series will run at least up to version 4.3.3 AIX. NT PPC will
NOT run (yay). Not downloadable, but non-commercial AIX afficionados
tend to be generous. Um, Not every 512-byte CD drive will boot on that
box. Any Plextor, any IBM-badged reader, and the older NECs will work.
Most any 8mm tape drive. If you have an 8mm DAT tape drive, a
borrowed mksysb image (bootable full-system backup) tape will probably
be the easiest way to get up & running.
3. What is an approximate cash value?
I just today brought home a 7012-340 with 2 350M drives, 2 graphics
adapters (I dunno why) ethernet, and 2 64M memory boards for $15. I just
wanted the video card.
4. Are components easy to come by or should
I really take a look to make sure everything
is there?
Some things you will want to consider.
The 320 & 32h need proprietary serial cables. I can supply pinouts.
They, as well as a few others, also have a proprietary external SCSI
interface. It looks like a 68-pin connector, but it's not.
If it has a 2-or-3 slot graphics adapter and that is IBM-branded, it's a
Sabine card and is useless in verions >3.25.
Disks aren't a problem, any standard SCSI narrow, <2G will work. You may
have to tape it in.
RAM cards & SIMMs are proprietary. RAM cards are also somewhat model
specific. The card from a 320 won't work in a 350. But they look a lot
alike.
I'm probably forgetting stuff.
The 350 is MUCH faster than the 320 & 340, and the 370 is much faster
than that. Not a linear progression, and the price progression isn't
either.
Doc
12:26 p.m.
On Fri, 21 Dec 2001, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2001, Doc wrote:
Forever and ever, Amen.
But we *were* talking about a swap fest.... I guess finding a 390
there is possible, but so is hitting the Lotto.
Doc
The 350 is MUCH faster than the 320 & 340,
and the 370 is much faster
than that. Not a linear progression, and the price progression isn't
either.
Let's not forget the holy grail of MCA RS/6K's, the RS/6000 390H. 
22 Dec
22 Dec
8:33 a.m.
On Fri, Dec 21, 2001 at 08:26:25PM -0600, Doc Shipley wrote:
I've got one of these sitting under my desk at work; is it worth powering
up?
Bill
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mrbill(a)mrbill.net
Austin, TX
Let's not
forget the holy grail of MCA RS/6K's, the RS/6000 390H.
Forever and ever,
Amen.
9:15 a.m.
On Sat, 22 Dec 2001, Bill Bradford wrote:
On Fri, Dec 21, 2001 at 08:26:25PM -0600, Doc Shipley
wrote:
I've got one of these sitting under my desk at work; is it worth powering
up?
Oh, yeah. Pretty quick for an old dude. Power2 processors (370 and
previous were all Power first-generation) more memory slots - 4 cards
instead of 2 or 1, MUCH faster/better scsi capability, and generally
sweet. IIRC, IBM was already building PPC models when the 390 came out.
Floating-point performance spanked the 43p right up till the 140 came
out.
if you don't want it, I'll come get it out of your way.
Doc
Let's
not forget the holy grail of MCA RS/6K's, the RS/6000 390H.
Forever and ever,
Amen. 
11:13 a.m.
On Sat, 22 Dec 2001, Doc wrote:
On Sat, 22 Dec 2001, Bill Bradford wrote:
Hey! I got dibs!
Peace... Sridhar
On Fri, Dec 21, 2001 at 08:26:25PM -0600, Doc
Shipley wrote:
I've got one of these sitting under my desk at work; is it worth powering
up?
Oh, yeah. Pretty quick for an old dude. Power2 processors (370 and
previous were all Power first-generation) more memory slots - 4 cards
instead of 2 or 1, MUCH faster/better scsi capability, and generally
sweet. IIRC, IBM was already building PPC models when the 390 came out.
Floating-point performance spanked the 43p right up till the 140 came
out.
if you don't want it, I'll come get it out of your way. Let's
not forget the holy grail of MCA RS/6K's, the RS/6000 390H.
Forever and ever,
Amen.
11:49 a.m.
On Sat, 22 Dec 2001, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote:
On Sat, 22 Dec 2001, Doc wrote:
No! I'm MUCH closer!!!
Heh. Besides, yours is on the way. I've located all the pieces/parts,
will test this week. Bonus: the short SCSI cable is still attached to
the planar. Bummer: I suspect you'll have to bust off $6 for a new 3V
coin.
Doc
if you don't want it, I'll come get it
out of your way.
Hey! I got dibs!
11:14 a.m.
On Sat, Dec 22, 2001 at 05:15:39PM -0600, Doc wrote:
Oh, yeah. Pretty quick for an old dude. Power2
processors (370 and
previous were all Power first-generation) more memory slots - 4 cards
instead of 2 or 1, MUCH faster/better scsi capability, and generally
sweet. IIRC, IBM was already building PPC models when the 390 came out.
Floating-point performance spanked the 43p right up till the 140 came
out.
if you don't want it, I'll come get it out of your way.
Unfortunately, see the "at work" above. I dont own it. 8-(
Bill
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Bill Bradford
mrbill(a)mrbill.net
Austin, TX
11:52 a.m.
On Sat, 22 Dec 2001, Bill Bradford wrote:
On Sat, Dec 22, 2001 at 05:15:39PM -0600, Doc wrote:
Then you have an excellent new toy. Email me off-list if you need
help or parts.
Doc
Oh, yeah. Pretty quick for an old dude. Power2
processors (370 and
previous were all Power first-generation) more memory slots - 4 cards
instead of 2 or 1, MUCH faster/better scsi capability, and generally
sweet. IIRC, IBM was already building PPC models when the 390 came out.
Floating-point performance spanked the 43p right up till the 140 came
out.
if you don't want it, I'll come get it out of your way.
Unfortunately, see the "at work" above. I dont own it. 8-(
21 Dec
21 Dec
12:41 p.m.
On Fri, 21 Dec 2001, Doc wrote:
Either have a key or "mknod
/dev/big_screwdriver" and be handy with a
soldering iron. The key not only locks the cabinet, but controls the
boot sequence. You need it.
Damn. Typing in shorthand again. Let me go back & finish the sentences.
The soldering iron is for replacing a hammered lock barrel with a 3-way
switch. If you need to, let me know, I'll get you the switch positions.
I just today brought home a 7012-340 with 2 350M drives, 2 graphics
adapters (I dunno why) ethernet, and 2 64M memory boards for $15. I just
wanted the video card.
I meant to point out that the deal I got has no relation to the value.
Anything older & slower than a 370 or a 390h will vary wildly in price.
If I didn't already have a couple, I'd probably give 40-50 USD for this
one.
The 350 is MUCH faster than the 320 & 340, and
the 370 is much faster
than that. Not a linear progression, and the price progression isn't
either.
Like the Boatman pointed out, if you find a 390H grab it. They still
typically go for several hundred on ebay. Also, if you have room for it,
the 7013 series are often better-equipped and cheaper. They have more
MCA slots, room for more disk & tape drives, and more memory slots.
What's less well-known is that the system bus is a fair bit faster than
that of the comparable 7012 boxen. Plus, it'll keep you warm in the
winter, and your cats will love the fan vibes.
Doc
22 Dec
22 Dec
12:02 a.m.
"William S ." wrote:
I will be heading to a computer market tomorrow
in Amsterdam and am on the lookout for an
IBM RS/6000 7012-3XX type box.
I found quite a bit of technical information
at the IBM web site but was interested in a few
other details.
Assuming I find one:
1. How important is it that it have a key?
moderate, if it is locked you will have to crack the case. I
did it on four 320H; the first one was tough to understand the
best way
to avoid breaking everything
2. How important is it that it have media
or able to boot up? (Can I download and install
the appropriate version somewhere?)
You can only run AIX on these; well at least last year when I got
mine. I installed AIX 4.2.1; works decently if you don't use X;
in that case if you are patient you can even use Netscape, I did it!
3. What is an approximate cash value?
I would say nothing!
4. Are components easy to come by or should
I really take a look to make sure everything
is there?
You can use PS/2 type keyboards and mice if you install AIX 4.x. If
it comes with AIX 3.x you will need a real IBM keyboard.
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12:40 a.m.
Well, the market was disappointing: It was dominated
by PC stuff. Some vendors were selling old pentium
boxes by the pallet full but nothing very interesting.
I have only started looking right now so I will
give it some time. Maybe after the holidays there
will be more events. Any suggestions on where to look?
I am in Amsterdam so I don't want to go too far away.
Netherlands, Germany, Belgium are kinda local.
Bill
"William S ." wrote:
>
> I will be heading to a computer market tomorrow
> in Amsterdam and am on the lookout for an
> IBM RS/6000 7012-3XX type box.
3:22 a.m.
I kinda expected that already. There this organisation
that organizes these PC-dumpdagen. You'll have to pay
17,50 Guilders (around $7,50) for entrance and it's PC-stuff mainly.
A lot of "new" surplus from the last few years can be found.
Some second-hand laptops (486 and up) and only occasionaly
some vintage stuff out of a disrespectfull scrapbox and mostly
not very facinating.
I would have told you but ? only awoke after 13:00CEST so I read
your reply-mail too late .... Alas.....................
The FreeMarkets at 'Koninginnedag' (30-April) in Amsterdam and
other major Dutch cities will offer you more interesting material than
these "PC-DUMPDAGEN
Sipke de Wal
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----- Original Message -----
From: William S . <wilby98(a)yahoo.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [geeks] IBM RS/6000 7012-3XX
Well, the market was disappointing: It was dominated
by PC stuff. Some vendors were selling old pentium
boxes by the pallet full but nothing very interesting.
I have only started looking right now so I will
give it some time. Maybe after the holidays there
will be more events. Any suggestions on where to look?
I am in Amsterdam so I don't want to go too far away.
Netherlands, Germany, Belgium are kinda local.
Bill
>
> "William S ." wrote:
> >
> > I will be heading to a computer market tomorrow
> > in Amsterdam and am on the lookout for an
> > IBM RS/6000 7012-3XX type box.
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