9 Jan
2002
9 Jan
'02
1:12 p.m.
CBM -> PC isn't the problem; I've got a couple of CmC ADA IEEE-> S/P
converters as well. The Cassette to Serial adapter sounds neat though.
Getting from the Apple to the CBM is the problem; I think I've got software
somewhere that'll connect the two cassette ports, but it'd take till next
Xmas/Kwanzaa/Chanukah to find it.
Was just hoping there was a quick & easy direct way, but assuming Ernest is
going to take the clone, I'm going to include it and ask him to transfer the file(s)
&
email them back to me since he does have serial capability.
Thanks anyway, guys. Always interesting and often very informative & helpful.
mike
------------------------Original Message----------------------
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:58:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Apple disk -> MSDOS
- --- "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> wrote:
An XE1541 cable is an easy enough item to build. If you have a 4040
or 2031 drive on your PET, you could hook a 1541 to the PC, the IEEE
drive to the PET and sneaker-net stuff over.
Marko Makela has a cool device that's about to hit the world - a cassette
port dongle for all CBM machines that speaks to a "modern" machine over
serial - you save to "cassette" from your PET, B500, C64, VIC-20, whatever,
and run a virtual server on a serial line on a modern machine to scoop
up the data. No funny software required on the CBM side. He has a
prototype and pictures, but it's not quite available yet.
I know there have been some projects to emulate an IEEE port from a PeeCee
parallel port - enough to drive a 4040 floppy unit. If the software were
there, it'd be easy enough to turn the PeeCee into a virtual disk drive.
I think you could find the stuff already done. I don't think you'd have
to roll your own code to do this.
My X1541 cable also has a 6-pin C= cassette port on it. I have read
many PET tapes directly from DOS with a real C2N tape recorder. It's
not as reliable as floppies (especially if there's a head alignment
problem), but it does work. Slow as molasses in January, though.
Personally, the 170K floppy shuffle is the easiest way with the most
common hardware. It does require that you have a couple of Commodore
devices, but they aren't uncommon. Serial ports on PETs *are* (but I
have a couple of IEEE<->RS-232 boxes from "TNW" and one ROM socket
ACIA board. Still doesn't make them "common" though).
- -ethan
I think with a
little software I could transfer it
to one of my PETs via the cassette port, and from there
it would be trivial to get to a PC...
Really? The PC can't do PET disks, either. But you MIGHT be able to
interface one of the aftermarket IEEE488 drives to the Pet with some
trivial hardware, and then interface it to the PC, and just write a file
system for it. 
10 Jan
10 Jan
5:39 a.m.
--- M H Stein <mhstein(a)usa.net> wrote:
CBM -> PC isn't the problem; I've got a
couple of CmC ADA IEEE-> S/P
converters as well. The Cassette to Serial adapter sounds neat though.
I can't wait to buy one - I have a variety of C= machines, and it is
being designed to be *universal* - if your CBM has a 6-pin C2N-style
cassette port, it is supposed to work with your ROM-resident tape
routines.
Getting from the Apple to the CBM is the problem; I
think I've got
software somewhere that'll connect the two cassette ports, but it'd take
till next Xmas/Kwanzaa/Chanukah to find it.
I got the impression that's what you were going to do, but I didn't know
there was a specific program to do it. I do remember an article in an
old Compute! about reading ASCII BASIC tapes from an Apple into a PET -
there was an app provided in assembler to read the Apple format from a
C2N tape drive. You had to do a bit of work to tokenize the stream,
but that was the only hard part.
When a friend of mine and I needed to move data from the Apple to the C-64
years ago (the data file for an Infocom adventure), he had custom routines
to bit-bang the joystick port as 1200 baud serial - I made a cable to
tap into the user port on the C-64 and used its kernel routines. We both
did 6502 programming for a living, so it was trivial to port the receiver
app to the C= Would have been nice to have something Kermit-like back
in those days.
Either way, yes... Apple -> CBM is a bit tricky.
-ethan
Was just hoping there was a quick & easy direct way, but assuming Ernest
is
going to take the clone, I'm going to include it and ask him to transfer
the file(s) &
email them back to me since he does have serial capability.
Thanks anyway, guys. Always interesting and often very informative &
helpful.
mike
------------------------Original Message----------------------
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:58:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Apple disk -> MSDOS
- --- "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> wrote:
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I think
with a little software I could transfer it
to one of my PETs via the cassette port, and from there
it would be trivial to get to a PC...
Really? The PC can't do PET disks, either. But you MIGHT be able to
interface one of the aftermarket IEEE488 drives to the Pet with some
trivial hardware, and then interface it to the PC, and just write a system for it.
An XE1541 cable is an easy enough item to build. If you have a 4040
or 2031 drive on your PET, you could hook a 1541 to the PC, the IEEE
drive to the PET and sneaker-net stuff over.
Marko Makela has a cool device that's about to hit the world - a cassette
port dongle for all CBM machines that speaks to a "modern" machine over
serial - you save to "cassette" from your PET, B500, C64, VIC-20,
whatever,
and run a virtual server on a serial line on a modern machine to scoop
up the data. No funny software required on the CBM side. He has a
prototype and pictures, but it's not quite available yet.
I know there have been some projects to emulate an IEEE port from a
PeeCee
parallel port - enough to drive a 4040 floppy unit. If the software were
there, it'd be easy enough to turn the PeeCee into a virtual disk drive.
I think you could find the stuff already done. I don't think you'd have
to roll your own code to do this.
My X1541 cable also has a 6-pin C= cassette port on it. I have read
many PET tapes directly from DOS with a real C2N tape recorder. It's
not as reliable as floppies (especially if there's a head alignment
problem), but it does work. Slow as molasses in January, though.
Personally, the 170K floppy shuffle is the easiest way with the most
common hardware. It does require that you have a couple of Commodore
devices, but they aren't uncommon. Serial ports on PETs *are* (but I
have a couple of IEEE<->RS-232 boxes from "TNW" and one ROM socket
ACIA board. Still doesn't make them "common" though).
- -ethan
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