4 Jun
2002
4 Jun
'02
4:08 p.m.
Well what's the cheapest way to get into somthing running real VMS? Even for
a single user (can I connect it to my home network and telnet to it from
linux)
(wishing for authorize just one more time....)
BTW I have PC-DCL (HMM gotta look up the source on that to see if it can be a
linux shell.....)
Ron.
4 Jun
4 Jun
4:09 p.m.
There's a couple MicroVAX 3100 and VAXstation 3100's on Ebay right now
that have very poor descriptions, and no photos, so they'll probably go
cheap. Shipping will probably be more than the winning bid :)
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Ron Hudson
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:09 AM
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Still pineing for my own VMS machine
Well what's the cheapest way to get into somthing running real VMS? Even
for
a single user (can I connect it to my home network and telnet to it from
linux)
(wishing for authorize just one more time....)
BTW I have PC-DCL (HMM gotta look up the source on that to see if it can
be a
linux shell.....)
Ron.
4:32 p.m.
On Tuesday 04 June 2002 09:09 pm, you wrote:
There's a couple MicroVAX 3100 and VAXstation
3100's on Ebay right now
that have very poor descriptions, and no photos, so they'll probably go
cheap. Shipping will probably be more than the winning bid :)
There are some boxes marked like that at Weird Stuff, back in the asis area.
sorta desktop pentium sized, floppy, perhaps a cdrom.. I'l havta go look at
them again. they want about $10 to $30 for those..
Good??
4:39 p.m.
A Microvax 3100 or VAXStation 3100 is a decent machine. They are SCSI
based so you can fairly easily get disk drives for them. There are MANY
different models, from the original 3100-10 (somewhere around 2 VUPs I
think) to the 3100-96 (3100-98) at something like 38 VUPs (38 x the
speed of the original VAX 780 on your desktop!). Generally speaking the
3100 is a good hobbyist machine, as it's fairly flexible, and if you're
not interested in getting involved with Qbus, etc. it makes life
easier.If you just want a single user machine, it should be fine.
VAXstation models offer an internal "frame buffer" (graphics card) while
MicroVAX 3100 have serial ports for terminals or connection to a PC comm
port.
There's also the slightly smaller MicroVAX 2000, kind-of in a square-ish
box, and significantly slower (0.9 VUPs). Not SCSI compatible, really.
If available, I'd stick with a 3100.
CD-ROM drive is a good thing to have for loading software.
Hope this helps.
- Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Ron Hudson
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:33 AM
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Still pineing for my own VMS machine
On Tuesday 04 June 2002 09:09 pm, you wrote:
There's a couple MicroVAX 3100 and VAXstation
3100's on Ebay right now
that have very poor descriptions, and no photos, so
they'll probably
go cheap. Shipping will probably be more than the winning bid :)
There are some boxes marked like that at Weird Stuff, back in the asis
area. sorta desktop pentium sized, floppy, perhaps a cdrom.. I'l havta
go look at them again. they want about $10 to $30 for those..
Good??
5 Jun
5 Jun
5:35 a.m.
--- Chad Fernandez <fernande(a)internet1.net> wrote:
Bob Lafleur wrote:
I don't even want to contemplate an 11/780 laptop...
-ethan
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.... 3100-96 (3100-98) at something like 38 VUPs
(38 x the
speed of the original VAX 780 on your desktop!).
Wow, he has a Vax 780 on his desk!! That must be quite a desk!! :-) 
5:54 a.m.
On Wed, 2002-06-05 at 18:35, Ethan Dicks wrote:
--- Chad Fernandez <fernande(a)internet1.net> wrote:
Oh wow. A lappy in DEC
11/780 grey/blue booting into an emulator...
*drool*
Alex
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Bob Lafleur wrote:
I don't even want to contemplate an 11/780 laptop... .... 3100-96 (3100-98) at something like 38 VUPs
(38 x the
speed of the original VAX 780 on your desktop!).
Wow, he has a Vax 780 on his desk!! That must be quite a desk!! :-)
12:41 p.m.
On Wednesday 05 June 2002 10:35 am, you wrote:
--- Chad Fernandez <fernande(a)internet1.net>
wrote:
> Bob Lafleur wrote:
> >.... 3100-96 (3100-98) at something like 38 VUPs (38 x the
> > speed of the original VAX 780 on your desktop!).
>
> Wow, he has a Vax 780 on his desk!! That must be quite a desk!! :-)
Yeah, my 780 was 4 full sized racks and that did not include the disk drives,
they were separate. Perhaps much of the space was taken up by RS232
connectors though.
Hardwired VT100 and Hazeltine terminals : ^)
9600 baud yeah!
30 people slowed it way down.
editing in EMACS, TeX for good output.
5:41 a.m.
--- Bob Lafleur <bob_lafleur(a)technologist.com> wrote:
There's also the slightly smaller MicroVAX 2000,
kind-of in a square-ish
box, and significantly slower (0.9 VUPs). Not SCSI compatible, really.
And dependent on harder-and-harder-to-get disk drives.
If available, I'd stick with a 3100.
Good choice.
CD-ROM drive is a good thing to have for loading
software.
Speaking of which, what would it take (DCL script, binaries, etc.) to
move older VMS distros (VMS 5.5-2 comes to mind) from magtape to CD-ROM
for installation on those platforms that have one but not the other.
I have a box of VMS 4.x and VMS 5.x magtape and standalone TU58s and
RX50s. I want to create a CD-ROM that acts like a VMS 6.1 CD for
installation under, say, simh. I know I can extract saveset files, etc.,
to install VMS under simh. I want to package the savesets in a
more modern fashion and save a step or two at install time.
Is this possible? I have a SCSI CD-R drive (Smart & Friendly 2006, a
rebadged Sony 926) and SCSI magtape on an AXP/VMS box. I presume
there is a version of cdrecord for VMS, or an equivalent. Is there an
ODS-1 or OSD-2 equivalent of mkisofs for VMS? Does there have to be?
-ethan
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6:02 a.m.
Speaking of which, what would it take (DCL script,
binaries, etc.) to
move older VMS distros (VMS 5.5-2 comes to mind) from magtape to CD-ROM
for installation on those platforms that have one but not the other.
5.5 is available on CD, it's just not easy to get.
I have a box of VMS 4.x and VMS 5.x magtape and
standalone TU58s and
RX50s. I want to create a CD-ROM that acts like a VMS 6.1 CD for
installation under, say, simh. I know I can extract saveset files, etc.,
to install VMS under simh. I want to package the savesets in a
more modern fashion and save a step or two at install time.
Is this possible? I have a SCSI CD-R drive (Smart & Friendly 2006, a
rebadged Sony 926) and SCSI magtape on an AXP/VMS box. I presume
there is a version of cdrecord for VMS, or an equivalent. Is there an
ODS-1 or OSD-2 equivalent of mkisofs for VMS? Does there have to be?
What you want instead of mkisofs is something called the "Logical Disk
Driver", IIRC. That allows you to create a CD sized ODS-2 logical disk
that you can copy stuff onto. Somehow you'd need to get Standalone Backup
installed on that logical disk. Then copy all the savesets from tape to
disk.
Actually on second thought this would probably be easiest on a SCSI based
VAX with an RZ25. Get the RZ25 setup the way you want (getting Standalone
Backup on it wouldn't be any problem), copy the images, and then pull the
RZ25 and stick it in a Linux box and 'dd' it off to an image file and write
the image file to CD-R. This is basically what I do with the PDP-11.
Zane
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| | Classic Computer Collector |
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6:15 a.m.
--- "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> wrote:
If I had it, I wouldn't be asking. :-)
Speaking of
which, what would it take (DCL script, binaries, etc.) to
move older VMS distros (VMS 5.5-2 comes to mind) from magtape to CD-ROM
for installation on those platforms that have one but not the other.
5.5 is available on CD, it's just not easy to get. What you want instead of mkisofs is something called
the "Logical Disk
Driver", IIRC. That allows you to create a CD sized ODS-2 logical disk
that you can copy stuff onto.
Is that a DEC (HP) product or Freeware?
Actually on second thought this would probably be
easiest on a SCSI based
VAX with an RZ25.
How about a SCSI-based Alpha? And how about an RZ26 that isn't more than
65% full? If physical size really matters, I could throw an ST1480
drive on the Alpha and have 424MB - plenty of room for this task.
Get the RZ25 setup the way you want (getting
Standalone Backup on it
wouldn't be any problem),
Would it be a problem for cross-platform? I know it's easy to make
a disk on your own machine bootable to standalone (SYSE and whatnot).
I guess given the DCL script to make the standalone partition in the
first place, it wouldn't be impossible to modify it to pull from
someplace other than SYS$SYSROOT.
Considering that I want to use an AXP/VMS 6.1 system to build a
bootable VAX/VMS 5.x system, I really would have to be able to
work from something other than SYS$SYSROOT. I have plenty of
empty disk (5 SCSI buses on this beast - two with 4 drives and no
external connectors and three with external connectors (and a variety
of devices already present), so I could unpack the VMS 5.5 saveset
to its own disk and use its "make standalone" script to create the
target filesystem on yet _another_ disk.
Pity it probably won't fit on a ZIP disk - I'll have to physically
move a drive from machine to machine.
...pull the RZ25 and stick it in a Linux box and
'dd' it off to an image
file and write the image file to CD-R.
That's the easy part. I'll probably do it on SPARCstation instead of
an Intel Linux box, but that's no big deal.
-ethan
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4 Jun
4 Jun
5:54 p.m.
Well what's the cheapest way to get into somthing
running real VMS? Even for
a single user (can I connect it to my home network and telnet to it from
linux)
On the dirt cheap end you can go for a VS3100 series system, though I'd
recommend something like a VAXstation 4000/vlc as a minimum personally.
The VAXstation 4000/60's and 90's are pretty nice. However, anymore I tend
to consider a DEC Alpha the way to go. My main system is a DEC PWS 433au.
BTW I have PC-DCL (HMM gotta look up the source on that
to see if it can be a
linux shell.....)
Someone has a DCL shell you can get, it's a commercial product, but you can
download the shell for personal use.
Zane
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11:04 p.m.
At 09:08 PM 4/06/2002 -0700, Ron Hudson wrote:
Well what's the cheapest way to get into somthing
running real VMS? Even for
a single user (can I connect it to my home network and telnet to it from
linux)
Assuming you've already got a reasonably fast PC running linux, the easiest
way into VMS ownership is a simulated VAX (either SIMH or TS10). On my
500MHz alpha, SIMH gives me a 2VUP VAX. On a 2GHz IA32 it should really fly.
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5 Jun
5 Jun
1:42 a.m.
There definately is a certain appeal to having a VAX.
I really appreciate the style they have when compared
to the typical PC.
For the time being, here is my present inventory:
http://213.84.71.105/
On Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 09:08:56PM -0700, Ron Hudson wrote:
Well what's the cheapest way to get into somthing running real VMS? Even for
a single user (can I connect it to my home network and telnet to it from
linux)
(wishing for authorize just one more time....)
BTW I have PC-DCL (HMM gotta look up the source on that to see if it can be a
linux shell.....)
--
Bill
Amsterdam, NL
2:01 a.m.
When I first read your message, I saw "real" VMS and assumed you were
talking about a REAL system, not am emulator. But maybe you're not aware
of the emulators, and they might be good enough for you, if you're just
itching to play with that $ prompt for a while. I started with an
emulator, but quickly realized that I wanted a REAL system.
There are 3 emulators that I know of that work OK.
* SIMH is the one I like the best. It still has a few weird bugs, but
nothing that will stop it from running VMS though, and maybe some of the
problems I've experienced under WIN32 don't occur under Linux. Frequent
updates from the author (although none in a month or so). No network
support, although you can TELNET to a simulated terminal driver.
* TS10 - I don't know much about this one, although I've heard good
things. Mainly for Linux, and since I don't currently have a linux
system running, I haven't even tried to compile it in WIN32. Network
support is currently being added, and I understand it semi-works so far.
* PicoVAX - A mini version of a commercial product. Sessions are time
limited to 3 hours, and you can't telnet to it. Currently only emulates
a MicroVAX II, whereas the other emulators emulate more recent models.
If you decide to go with a REAL system, if your experience of VMS is
from many years ago and you want to recreate those
memories, you might
rather have a VAX than ALPHA system. VMS on ALPHA is basically
the same,
but there are some differences.
I'm not as familiar with the MicroVAX 4000's as I am with the 3100's. I
think the 4000-xx (two digit numbers) are VAX and the 4000-xxx (3
digits) are ALPHA? Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Also, I think the
4000's are QBUS, with some of them having SCSI also? Are there any
SCSI-only 4000 models?
If you just want to play for a while, "run authorize" just one more time
as you put it, then an emulator might give you what you want. But if you
really want to get back into the VAX, you might find in the long-run
that a real piece of hardware will serve you better.
- Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Ron Hudson
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:09 AM
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Still pineing for my own VMS machine
Well what's the cheapest way to get into somthing running real VMS? Even
for
a single user (can I connect it to my home network and telnet to it from
linux)
(wishing for authorize just one more time....)
BTW I have PC-DCL (HMM gotta look up the source on that to see if it can
be a
linux shell.....)
Ron.
2:42 a.m.
On Wednesday 05 June 2002 07:01 am, you wrote:
When I first read your message, I saw "real"
VMS and assumed you were
talking about a REAL system, not am emulator. But maybe you're not aware
of the emulators, and they might be good enough for you, if you're just
itching to play with that $ prompt for a while. I started with an
emulator, but quickly realized that I wanted a REAL system.
Actually, I run RSTS on the simh pdp11 simulator. If I can run
VMS on a simh VAX simulator, that would be OK. and my
laptop dual boots Win98 / Linux Redhat 7. Being able to
telnet in would become a "It would be nice" if the VAX is
simulated on my "main workstation"
I think the version of VMS I was exposed to is 3.xx, no command line
history (cuz I had to do that myself in DCL)
How do I get started?
ron
2:51 a.m.
8:54 a.m.
--- Bob Lafleur <bob_lafleur(a)technologist.com> wrote:
Since I am compiler-impaired under WinBlows and I'd like to throw
this on my daily-use laptop, can someone help me get a compiled
version that will work under Windows2000? All I saw there was
source (not that it's a bad thing normally, but...)
Thanks,
-ethan
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How do I get
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Go here to download the latest SIMH: http://simh.trailing-edge.com/ 
9:20 a.m.
Why are you "compiler-impaired" when you can get the Cygwin GBU stuff for
free?
--tom
At 01:54 PM 6/5/02 -0700, you wrote:
--- Bob Lafleur <bob_lafleur(a)technologist.com> wrote:
Since I am compiler-impaired under WinBlows and I'd like to throw
this on my daily-use laptop, can someone help me get a compiled
version that will work under Windows2000? All I saw there was
source (not that it's a bad thing normally, but...)
Thanks,
-ethan
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How do I
get started?
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8:28 p.m.
--- Tom Uban <uban(a)ubanproductions.com> wrote:
Why are you "compiler-impaired" when you can
get the Cygwin GBU stuff for
free?
Because I'm essentially (intentionally) ignorant of what's available
for development on Microsoft machine. I have been a professional
C programmer for 14 documentable years (with a few things on the side
before that). I cut my teeth on VAXen (VMS/UNIX) and 68000s
(UNIX/AmigaDOS/embedded systems). I prefer to expend my skull sweat
on what _I_ consider worthwhile.
I'll _use_ Windows (not my first choice, but it is everywhere), but I
don't care to take the plunge to developing on it. I'd rather do something
cool.
If I could get UNIX on my company-provided laptop, I'd go that route.
They didn't ask me what I wanted.
-ethan
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5:25 p.m.
On Wednesday 05 June 2002 07:51 am, you wrote:
doh! that's a zip file, gunzip complains about it... what's up?
How do I get
started?
Go here to download the latest SIMH: http://simh.trailing-edge.com/
8 p.m.
--- Ron Hudson <rhudson(a)cnonline.net> wrote:
On Wednesday 05 June 2002 07:51 am, you wrote:
doh! that's a zip file, gunzip complains about it... what's up?
gzip/gunzip pack and unpack simple compressed files (.gz). You need
zip/unzip for your favorite OS (ISTR they ship standard with Solaris now).
What zip and unzip are to the PeeCee world, tar and gzip/gunzip are to
the Unix world.
Different tools, same effect.
-ethan
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3 a.m.
--- Ron Hudson <rhudson(a)cnonline.net> wrote:
I think the version of VMS I was exposed to is 3.xx,
no command line
history (cuz I had to do that myself in DCL)
Are there any VMS distros available that are that old? I have some
upgrade tapes (TU-58) for VMS 3.x, but they require a base installation
(and not all of my tapes were legible after this many years; only
about 85% completely read)
I, too, got my start back in those days - I didn't know much of what I
was doing at the time, but my first VMS exposure was on an 11/750
with an RA81 (the $26,000 drive I mentioned recently) running VMS 3.6.
Shortly after I started that job (Autumn, 1984), we moved up to VMS 4.0,
and I haven't seen a VMS 3.x system since.
-ethan
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4:47 a.m.
--- Ron Hudson <rhudson(a)cnonline.net> wrote:
I'm sure there are people that have it, however, there aren't any
publically available copies that I'm aware of. To the best of my knowledge
the oldest version that has been made publically available would be VAX/VMS
V5.5 on the original Hobbyist CD (which is no longer available).
Personally the oldest I've gotten ahold of is something like 4.4 (if that
old), and unfortunatly I'm not sure what condition the TK50 tapes are in.
Zane
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I think the version of VMS I was exposed to is
3.xx, no command line
history (cuz I had to do that myself in DCL)
Are there any VMS distros available that are that old? I have some
upgrade tapes (TU-58) for VMS 3.x, but they require a base installation
(and not all of my tapes were legible after this many years; only
about 85% completely read)
4:56 a.m.
On Wed, 2002-06-05 at 17:47, Zane H. Healy wrote:
I
have 11/750 VMS install TK50s down to version three, but no operable
way to read them...
Alex
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--- Ron Hudson
<rhudson(a)cnonline.net> wrote:
I'm sure there are people that have it, however, there aren't any
publically available copies that I'm aware of. To the best of my knowledge
the oldest version that has been made publically available would be VAX/VMS
V5.5 on the original Hobbyist CD (which is no longer available).
Personally the oldest I've gotten ahold of is something like 4.4 (if that
old), and unfortunatly I'm not sure what condition the TK50 tapes are in. I think the version of VMS I was exposed to is
3.xx, no command line
history (cuz I had to do that myself in DCL)
Are there any VMS distros available that are that old? I have some
upgrade tapes (TU-58) for VMS 3.x, but they require a base installation
(and not all of my tapes were legible after this many years; only
about 85% completely read)
6:50 a.m.
--- Alex White <meltie(a)myrealbox.com> wrote:
On Wed, 2002-06-05 at 17:47, Zane H. Healy wrote:
> >--- Ron Hudson <rhudson(a)cnonline.net> wrote:
> ...the oldest version that has been made publically available
> would be VAX/VMS V5.5 on the original Hobbyist CD (which is no
> longer available).
Is it legal to distribute an ISO file of that to people with
a hobby license? I have the later Hobbyist CD, but would
love to have a copy of the original one.
I have 11/750 VMS install TK50s down to version three,
but no operable
way to read them...
Are you sure about the media? The TK50 came out a long time after
VMS V3.x. The first machine I saw with a TK50 was a MicroVAX-II.
Might you have TU-58s for the 11/750?
-ethan
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7:32 a.m.
On Wed, 2002-06-05 at 19:50, Ethan Dicks wrote:
Rar, same thing. D'oh! It's been a long weekend...
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I have 11/750
VMS install TK50s down to version three, but no operable
way to read them...
Are you sure about the media? The TK50 came out a long time after
VMS V3.x. The first machine I saw with a TK50 was a MicroVAX-II.
Might you have TU-58s for the 11/750? 
4:16 p.m.
Hi Ethan;
At 11:50 AM 6/5/02 -0700, you wrote:
So would I; the original HD in my vaxstation 4000/60 still has
5.5 in it, but I took it out, installed a larger disk and used
7.2 in it. I have the dream of using 5.5 in the vaxstation 2000;
I'd like to have the CD as well.
I think that this summer I will try to do the ROM burning/swapping
procedure in my VS2000 to see if the pk2k driver really does the
trick. I've recently restored my vs4000 back to functionality
and the experience has been rewarding; I think that I am going to
become a VMS fan.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org
> >---
Ron Hudson <rhudson(a)cnonline.net> wrote:
> ...the oldest version that has been made publically available
> would be VAX/VMS V5.5 on the original Hobbyist CD (which is no
> longer available).
Is it legal to distribute an ISO file of that to people with
a hobby license? I have the later Hobbyist CD, but would
love to have a copy of the original one.
8:02 p.m.
--- Carlos Murillo <carlos_murillo(a)epm.net.co> wrote:
I think that this summer I will try to do the ROM
burning/swapping
procedure in my VS2000 to see if the pk2k driver really does the
trick.
I have never gotten it working, but only because I didn't start with
the same version of the ROMs that the instructions call for. :-(
I'm sure it works, it just didn't work for me easily enough to keep
me on task. I'm sure I'll get back to it one day.
-ethan
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7:12 a.m.
I have 11/750 VMS install TK50s down to version three,
but no operable
way to read them...
11/750 specific or are they generic VMS installs?
I can copy TK50 tapes (so will you be able too once I give you the
uVax3100m20 & the TK50GZ (external SCSI TK50))
Actually just the external SCSI TK50 drive & a PC with a SCSI port can do it,
use the ST program from dbit.com to image the tape to a file on disk & then
write it back out...
greg
3:35 p.m.
At 09:47 AM 5/06/2002 -0700, Zane H. Healy wrote:
I'm sure there are people that have it, however,
there aren't any
publically available copies that I'm aware of. To the best of my knowledge
the oldest version that has been made publically available would be VAX/VMS
V5.5 on the original Hobbyist CD (which is no longer available).
Personally the oldest I've gotten ahold of is something like 4.4 (if that
old), and unfortunatly I'm not sure what condition the TK50 tapes are in.
Sitting around here somewhere (I knew where it was a couple of weeks ago
but the housekeeper has filed it somewhere :-) is VAX/VMS 2.6 (AFAIR) on
1/2 inch tape. Unused, still in the resealable plastic bag.
Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)kerberos.davies.net.au
| "If God had wanted soccer played in the
| air, the sky would be painted green"
8:05 p.m.
--- Huw Davies <Huw.Davies(a)kerberos.davies.net.au> wrote:
Sitting around here somewhere (I knew where it was a
couple of weeks ago
but the housekeeper has filed it somewhere :-) is VAX/VMS 2.6 (AFAIR) on
1/2 inch tape. Unused, still in the resealable plastic bag.
Somewhere, I have VMS 2.something sources on 3 1600bpi magtapes. I
inherited them years ago and I have no idea if they will still read
or not. I haven't seen them in 8+ years, but if I run across them,
they will be put into the magtape queue I'm forming.
-ethan
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