On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 02:46:14PM -0800, Zane H. Healy wrote: Nice. Are they the newer "PE-3" models? If so, you can use a parasitic power cable that taps into the keyboard jack. AFAIK, the PE-2 will draw too much current for some boards to supply. I have a Zenith laptop (with the blue/grey screen and the double pop-up 720K 3.5" floppies) attached to my PE-3. I use a packet driver and Kermit. Mostly, this thing gets used as portable terminal, but on all of my 8-bit DOS hardware (including my old device burner box), Kermit for DOS has a TCP stack, and lets me move files and establish terminal sessions. -ethan -- Ethan Dicks, A-130-S Current South Pole Weather at 10-Dec-2003 23:00 Z South Pole Station PSC 468 Box 400 Temp -8.9 F (-22.8 C) Windchill -42.9 F (-41.6 C) APO AP 96598 Wind 12.6 kts Grid 348 Barometer 695.9 mb (10033. ft) Ethan.Dicks(a)amanda.spole.gov http://penguincentral.com/penguincentral.html

I have done this between my Mac Plus and Rainbow. Worked fine over *serial* (no ethernet on the Rainbow). -- - Mark 210-522-6025, page 888-733-0967

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, Frank McConnell wrote: Parallel ethernet devices work fine under DOS. They are inherently slow, of course, but for most interactive work that is not an issue. Assuming raw DOS, you can either use the Microsoft Client stack (and their NDIS2-compliant driver interface, quite often supported by the device manufacturers), or you can use a FTP/Crynwr packet driver compliant driver, and use free packages like NCSA Telnet, Kermit-PC or such. I personally always used FTP's PC/TCP, and, for standalone stuff, a nicely configured Kermit-PC setup. I probably still have all that stuff. I *know* I have the MSClient stuff (since that is what I use these days) and the Kermit-PC stuff. Dunno about the PC/TCP and/or B&W packages. Wasnt there a version of pcXWin32 that did packet drivers? That stuff gave you Telnet, and full X11R5 on a raw DOS box :) --f -- Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist Visit the VAXlab Project at http://www.pdp11.nl/VAXlab/ Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ Email: waltje(a)pdp11.nl BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Sunnyvale, CA, USA

No. A PC serial port is not even CLOSE to being capable of implementing LocalTalk. LocalTalk requires HDLC with NRZI encoding, means for generating and detecting a coding violation for framing, and an EIA-485 differential transceiver. The only serial chips I've ever seen used to implement it are the 8530 and its variants, and the Motorola MC68302 and MC68360 when used with a MC68195. LocalTalk (and PhoneNet) adapters with a DB25 connector were for use on the Lisa or Macintosh XL, and perhaps some other obscure devices. There did exist LocalTalk cards for PCs, but they used either a DE9 or a mini-DIN 8 connector. I wrote a LocalTalk driver for the MC68360 when I was a software engineer at Telebit, working on the NetBlazer LS router. It turns out that the fancy serial channel in the MC68360 Eric

I have one for my games 486. It was easier to set up than Ethernet, so with a little bit of SETVER hacking, it co-exists with DOS 6.22 and happily shares files with the rest of the AppleTalk network over a Dayna EtherPrint-T. -- ---------------------------------- personal: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Floodgap Systems Ltd * So. Calif., USA * ckaiser(a)floodgap.com -- Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes? -- Groucho Marx ---------