3 Nov
2004
3 Nov
'04
9:26 a.m.
On Nov 3 2004, 23:37, Fred N. van Kempen wrote:
On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, Christopher McNabb wrote:
> Well, it looks like I won't be able to accept bids from the EU
anymore:
Correct, this has been a
known law. It's a good law in general,
but can be "wierd" when it comes to border-crossing situations
such as ePay.
I'm not sure the regulations apply to most eBay transactions though.
In the UK, at least, I understand they only apply to *business* to
consumer transactions, not sales by private individuals. And I can't
see how they can be enforced against a seller outside the EU.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
3 Nov
3 Nov
6:13 p.m.
On Nov 3 2004, 23:37, Fred N. van Kempen wrote:
I agree, as far as I know the 8 day return policy Fred mentioned is
only applicable to business here in Holland, not to individuals who
sell something. Anyway, when I sell something on ebay, I explicitly
state (for the EU buyers) that it is a private sale.
Ed
On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, Christopher McNabb wrote:
> Well, it looks like I won't be able to accept bids from the EU
anymore:
Correct, this has been a
known law. It's a good law in general,
but can be "wierd" when it comes to border-crossing situations
such as ePay.
I'm not sure the regulations apply to most eBay transactions though.
In the UK, at least, I understand they only apply to *business* to
consumer transactions, not sales by private individuals. And I can't
see how they can be enforced against a seller outside the EU. 
8:03 p.m.
New subject: ANSWER (Re: No more bids from the EU)
All,
I happen to be in Germany now (Braunschweig, for those who care)
and nextdoor is a lawyer's office. I printed some of the emails
from this thread, and showed them (after asking whether
they had
time to look at them, of course..)
Basically, their answers were:
1. Yes, this (German) law is real, and it is enforced, too.
2. Yes, it applies to all EU countries, although member countries
are allowed to amend the (EU) law, as Germany and Holland did.
3. Yes, this only goes for *business-to-consumer* transactions.
So, if you buy your new (well, almost ;-) UNIVAC off ePay, it must
be explicitly noted (in both the auction page *and* the final
invoice) that this is a private sale (see Ed's comment), or else
(by default) it is a business sale to a consumer, which means
"the" law is in effect.
This would have an impact on dealers only, I guess, such as Ed
Kelleher, as they do "regular" business sales on ePay, but not
on private sales, such as JoeR sellimg me his RL11.
Cheers,
Fred
8:47 p.m.
New subject: ANSWER (Re: No more bids from the EU)
At 05:03 AM 11/4/2004, you wrote:
This would have an impact on dealers only, I guess,
such as Ed
Kelleher, as they do "regular" business sales on ePay, but not
on private sales, such as JoeR sellimg me his RL11.
Actually, I buy things on eBay but have never sold anything on eBay.
I just have a website with my old DEC stuff for sale.
Just a method to reduce my inventory as service work on DEC equipment declines.
Most of my customers for these items are other businesses, many international.
People have remarked that my prices are high.
That's because it is my policy to test things thoroughly before I ship and
also accept returns.
And I do give stuff away also (free item, free shipping) from time to time
when it pleases me.
Though on this list, I probably shouldn't mention that. :-)
Ed K.
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