20 Aug
2004
20 Aug
'04
7:20 a.m.
At 07:52 AM 8/20/04 -0700, you wrote:
The long torx screwdriver should be available from any good tool shop,
though for the longest time I used one made from the tip of a too short
torx screwdriver welded to shaft of another screwdriver. I've never seen a
case cracker, but I'm not sure why you'd need one. Every compact mac I've
opened has came apart easily once the screws were removed.
Thanks, but I
don't have the required long torx screwdriver and case
cracker
That reminds me - where can I find such a tool? I've got a pair of dead
Macs I'd like to open up and try to repair.
tnx. 
21 Aug
21 Aug
6:12 a.m.
On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 03:20:58 +1100
"Dr. Ido" <dr.ido(a)bigpond.net.au> wrote:
At 07:52 AM 8/20/04 -0700, you wrote:
The long torx screwdriver should be available from any good tool shop,
though for the longest time I used one made from the tip of a too
short torx screwdriver welded to shaft of another screwdriver. I've
never seen a case cracker, but I'm not sure why you'd need one. Every
compact mac I've opened has came apart easily once the screws were
removed.
I carried one of my SE/30's directly into the (independent, locally
owned) hardware store last summer in pursuit of a long Torx screwdriver
to back out those deep screws in the handle hole.
I ended up settling for the longest handle small flat-blade screwdriver,
which had a blade width perfect for wedging into the 'torx' screwhead
hole. I carefully maintained forward pressure while turning the
screwdriver and was able to back the screws out with no problem. I
always bag and save those screws on an SE/30 and put in phillips screws
of the same size.
The real kick was, I didn't even have to buy the screwdriver. There was
no visible damage to the screwdriver tip from my careful work, so it
went back on the shelf.
It's nice living less than a mile away from that hardware store, with
it's friendly clerks.
The SE/30 has it's full rightful complement of 32 megs of RAM now. The
SE is a cool machine, but the SE/30 is downright wonderful. I have the
current NetBSD running on one, so it's even supported by a current OS.
Thanks,
but I don't have the required long torx screwdriver and
case> cracker
That reminds me - where can I find such a tool? I've got a pair of
dead Macs I'd like to open up and try to repair.
tnx. 
6:43 a.m.
I carried one of my SE/30's directly into the
(independent, locally
owned) hardware store last summer in pursuit of a long Torx screwdriver
to back out those deep screws in the handle hole.
I ended up settling for the longest handle small flat-blade screwdriver,
which had a blade width perfect for wedging into the 'torx' screwhead
hole. I carefully maintained forward pressure while turning the
screwdriver and was able to back the screws out with no problem. I
always bag and save those screws on an SE/30 and put in phillips screws
of the same size.
The real kick was, I didn't even have to buy the screwdriver. There was
no visible damage to the screwdriver tip from my careful work, so it
went back on the shelf.
It's nice living less than a mile away from that hardware store, with
it's friendly clerks.
And you don't have any problems with this failure of ethics? Of all of the
hardware stores out there, the "locally, independently owned" ones are the
ones you should be supporting, not abusing. Most of these guys are in
trouble from the chains, and could really use that ten bucks.
Shame on you.
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
6:06 p.m.
On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 11:43:35 -0400 (EDT)
William Donzelli <aw288(a)osfn.org> wrote:
Hey, if they had implied in any fashion that I should buy the
screwdriver, I would have. It would have been a failure of ethics if
they'd expected me to buy it and I'd refused. I buy things in there
often enough. They're the only place I know of to buy bulk seed
(measured out by the ounce) for instance.
I carried one
of my SE/30's directly into the (independent, locally
owned) hardware store last summer in pursuit of a long Torx
screwdriver to back out those deep screws in the handle hole.
I ended up settling for the longest handle small flat-blade
screwdriver, which had a blade width perfect for wedging into the
'torx' screwhead hole. I carefully maintained forward pressure
while turning the screwdriver and was able to back the screws out
with no problem. I always bag and save those screws on an SE/30 and
put in phillips screws of the same size.
The real kick was, I didn't even have to buy the screwdriver. There
was no visible damage to the screwdriver tip from my careful work,
so it went back on the shelf.
It's nice living less than a mile away from that hardware store,
with it's friendly clerks.
And you don't have any problems with this failure of ethics? Of all of
the hardware stores out there, the "locally, independently owned" ones
are the ones you should be supporting, not abusing. Most of these guys
are in trouble from the chains, and could really use that ten bucks.
Shame on you.
6:55 a.m.
The SE/30 has it's full rightful complement of 32
megs of RAM now. The
SE is a cool machine, but the SE/30 is downright wonderful. I have the
current NetBSD running on one, so it's even supported by a current OS.
You can stick 128MB in an SE/30, you know ^^
The SE/30 and the Mac Plus are my favourite compact Macs: the SE/30 because
it's a "lot" of power in a small space, and the Plus for nostalgia, since
it was the first Macintosh I ever encountered. I hear of a lot of people
running NetBSD on the SE/30, although I have my local install running on a
Q605 and a IIci (and a Power Mac 7300).
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1:05 p.m.
The real kick was, I didn't even have to buy the
screwdriver. There was
no visible damage to the screwdriver tip from my careful work, so it
went back on the shelf.
I find this mroally very wrong. I can't believe yor tool shops offer a
free lending service for tools, I know ours don't. It's one thing to take
the unit to the shop to find what tool will remove the screws (I've done
that many times when I've wanted something obscure), but once you've
found the right tool you should darn well buy it.
Ditto for books, actually. I have no problem with looking at books in the
bookshop to find which one contains the information I need, but when I've
found said book I buy it. I don't make notes in a pocket notebook so as
not to have to buy the book (I do, of course, do that in public
libraries, but that's what libraries are for).
-tony
3:18 p.m.
The real kick
was, I didn't even have to buy the screwdriver. There
was no visible damage to the screwdriver tip from my careful work,
so it went back on the shelf.
I find this mroally very wrong. I can't believe
yor tool shops offer
a free lending service for tools, I know ours don't. 
6:15 p.m.
Tony Duell declared on Saturday 21 August 2004 05:05 pm:
AutoZone, an automobile parts place around the US, offer free tool rental
(and they also sell tools if you want to buy them). You give them a
deposit when you pick up the tool, and they give you back 100% of it
when you bring back the tool. Of course, I'm sure they wouldn't give
you the whole/any of the deposit back if you broke the tool before
bringing it back.
Pat
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The real kick
was, I didn't even have to buy the screwdriver. There
was no visible damage to the screwdriver tip from my careful work,
so it went back on the shelf.
I find this mroally very wrong. I can't believe yor tool shops offer a
free lending service for tools, I know ours don't. It's one thing to
take the unit to the shop to find what tool will remove the screws
(I've done that many times when I've wanted something obscure), but
once you've found the right tool you should darn well buy it. 
6:32 p.m.
Patrick Finnegan wrote:
AutoZone, an automobile parts place around the US,
offer free tool rental
(and they also sell tools if you want to buy them). You give them a
deposit when you pick up the tool, and they give you back 100% of it
when you bring back the tool. Of course, I'm sure they wouldn't give
you the whole/any of the deposit back if you broke the tool before
bringing it back.
They're actually pretty cool about it. I picked up a gear puller a
couple of years ago when I was replacing <mumble> on a '74 Maverick
front-end, and the cheaply-built gear puller lost the battle. The
threads stripped out of the crossbar. I pointed out the damage and
offered to pay for the tool when I took it back. The guy just laughed
and said "It's part of our overhead. Did you finish the job?"
'Course, I'd spent a good bit of money there over the past few
months, too.
Doc
22 Aug
22 Aug
9:45 a.m.
The real kick was, I didn't even have to buy the
screwdriver. There
was no visible damage to the screwdriver tip from my careful work,
so it went back on the shelf.
I find this mroally very wrong. I can't believe
yor tool shops offer a
free lending service for tools, I know ours don't. It's one thing to
take the unit to the shop to find what tool will remove the screws
(I've done that many times when I've wanted something obscure), but
once you've found the right tool you should darn well buy it. 
10:23 a.m.
On Aug 22, 2004, at 11:45 AM, Fred Cisin wrote:
AutoZone, an
automobile parts place around the US, offer free tool
rental
(and they also sell tools if you want to buy them). You give them a
deposit when you pick up the tool, and they give you back 100% of it
when you bring back the tool. Of course, I'm sure they wouldn't give
you the whole/any of the deposit back if you broke the tool before
bringing it back.
And how about a store that sells tools as NEW, after they've
been used, and abused, such as use of the wrong size screwdriver,
or even using a flatblade screwdriver on a torx screw? I don't
like having to do a detailed inspection of "new" tools looking
for damage that they hadn't noticed, in addition to the normal
inspection for manufacturing defects.
Of course the store could be chalking it up to "Advertising". Did they
put
the tool back out for sale? Did they inspect it first. I don't think
what
the tool borrower did was wrong as long as it was done under the eye of
the
store staff, and not done sneaky in the back of the aisle when no one
knew.
The real kick
was, I didn't even have to buy the screwdriver. There
was no visible damage to the screwdriver tip from my careful work,
so it went back on the shelf.
I find this mroally very wrong. I can't believe
yor tool shops offer
a
free lending service for tools, I know ours don't. It's one thing to
take the unit to the shop to find what tool will remove the screws
(I've done that many times when I've wanted something obscure), but
once you've found the right tool you should darn well buy it. 
23 Aug
23 Aug
2:34 a.m.
New subject: Reading Books in the Store (was: What fun from a Macintosh SE)
Am 21 Aug 2004 23:05 meinte Tony Duell:
> The real kick was, I didn't even have to buy
the screwdriver. There was
> no visible damage to the screwdriver tip from my careful work, so it
> went back on the shelf.
I find this mroally very wrong. I can't believe
yor tool shops offer a
free lending service for tools, I know ours don't.
Ditto for books, actually. I have no problem with
looking at books in the
bookshop to find which one contains the information I need, but when I've
found said book I buy it. I don't make notes in a pocket notebook so as
not to have to buy the book (I do, of course, do that in public
libraries, but that's what libraries are for).
Well, by now, the bookstores (at least the larger ones) hanve
even reading areas, where people take a book, sit down and read
it, without paying. Usualy cramped with people reading. Any, at
least according to their studies, it makes them selling _more_
books. and even people who go in, just to read, without buying
often end up buying it. After all, books are a kind of addictive
drug, and that's the way they give out a free fix ;)
It's like car sales over here uswualy give you a car for a full
weekend for a testdrive (ok, when it comes to cars, you should
at least give them an impression that your'e the one to buy it :)
And yes, we have public libraries (still more than 30 within the
city borders), and some 60+ neighborhood locations are served by
one of the five 'Bucherbus' - rolling libraries with some 20,000+
books, serving each location once a week. And if you don't find
what you're looking for, thell them, and next week you'll pick it
up.
Still, I think the laisse faire attitude of the book stores helps
in promoteing reading no matter if science, or parascience :)
Gruss
H.
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