31 Jul
2019
31 Jul
'19
6:33 p.m.
I just picked up a VT-320, with no keyboard.
I have some questions:
1) the price on DEC keyboards, at least on eBay, is insane. Does anyone have a VT-320
keyboard they?d be willing to let go cheaply?
2) ?or, failing that, I found a posting of someone who?d done an Arduino-based key code
mapper that let him use a PS/2 (or maybe it was an AT) keyboard as a replacement. The
link to the actual project was dead, though. Anyone have schematic and source code for
such a project?
3) If anyone's got a DB-9-or-25-to-MMP cable you?d sell cheap, I?d be happy to buy it
instead or making my own. OK, that?s not really a question. There?s a blank insert where
the 25-pin connector usually is; was that a ?feature? of the B2 model? (that?s a question
but not much of one)
?aaaaand while I?m here, another question.
4) I have a number of Apple IIs and one III that have sustained some keyboard damage.
Where can I get/what is the name of the little plus-shaped keyboard stems for those? If I
had a couple dozen that would be most helpful.
Adam
31 Jul
31 Jul
6:49 p.m.
The VT320 can use an LK401 or an LK201. I have a defective LK201 you can have for
shipping, if you want to repair it.
The M0110 keyboards usually used Alps SKCC tall cream switches.
https://deskthority.net/wiki/Apple_M0110
I have one complete one
https://www.elecshopper.com/apple-m0110a-keyboard-mitsumi-japan.html and an M0110
missing a couple of caps that I will sell for half that.
Cindy
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Subject: A few VT-320 and keyboard questions
I just picked up a VT-320, with no keyboard.
I have some questions:
1) the price on DEC keyboards, at least on eBay, is insane. Does anyone have a VT-320
keyboard they?d be willing to let go cheaply?
2) ?or, failing that, I found a posting of someone who?d done an Arduino-based key code
mapper that let him use a PS/2 (or maybe it was an AT) keyboard as a replacement. The
link to the actual project was dead, though. Anyone have schematic and source code for
such a project?
3) If anyone's got a DB-9-or-25-to-MMP cable you?d sell cheap, I?d be happy to buy it
instead or making my own. OK, that?s not really a question. There?s a blank insert where
the 25-pin connector usually is; was that a ?feature? of the B2 model? (that?s a question
but not much of one)
?aaaaand while I?m here, another question.
4) I have a number of Apple IIs and one III that have sustained some keyboard damage.
Where can I get/what is the name of the little plus-shaped keyboard stems for those? If I
had a couple dozen that would be most helpful.
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On Wed, Jul 31, 2019, 8:33 PM Adam Thornton via cctech <
cctech at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I just picked up a VT-320, with no keyboard.
I have some questions:
1) the price on DEC keyboards, at least on eBay, is insane. Does anyone
have a VT-320 keyboard they?d be willing to let go cheaply?
Isn't it just a lk401? I bought one recently for $55.
2) ?or, failing that, I found a posting of someone who?d done an
Arduino-based key code mapper that let him use a PS/2
(or maybe it was an
AT) keyboard as a replacement. The link to the actual project was dead,
though. Anyone have schematic and source code for such a project?
Unless you are doing this in bulk, I suspect it would be more expensive...
there have been lk201 hack a day stuff, though. Iirc, all the software is
available, but when I went looking, the board layout stuff wasn't.
3) If anyone's got a DB-9-or-25-to-MMP cable you?d sell cheap, I?d be happy
to buy it instead or making my own. OK, that?s not
really a question.
There?s a blank insert where the 25-pin connector usually is; was that a
?feature? of the B2 model? (that?s a question but not much of one)
MMJ is a pita. But getting a normal RJ45 and removing the clip will let you
plug it in and get it working.
Warner
?aaaaand while I?m here, another question.
4) I have a number of Apple IIs and one III that have sustained some
keyboard damage. Where can I get/what is the name of the little
plus-shaped keyboard stems for those? If I had a couple dozen that would
be most helpful.
Adam
7:25 p.m.
You can use a LK201 or the seemingly less desirable LK401 with the VT320.
There are a number of LK201s on eBay right now for reasonable prices. The
cheap ones are always going to be untested/dirty/possibly missing a key or
two.
The thing to do for MMJ converters is to get a MMJ cable and an adapter.
The 9-pin I use is a H8571-J, I don't have many of those so I can't provide
one. The 25-pin I use is H8575-A, I have a few of those so if you wanted to
buy a MMJ cable and a MMJ -> DB25F, I could sell you that combination for a
reasonable price. I have a huge spool of DEC OfficeConnect branded
Spectra-Strip flat cable, a ton of MMJ crimps, and the necessary crimp die
to make up cables of whatever length you'd like. Contact me off-list if
you're interested.
Thanks,
Jonathan
On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 9:33 PM Adam Thornton via cctech <
cctech at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I just picked up a VT-320, with no keyboard.
I have some questions:
1) the price on DEC keyboards, at least on eBay, is insane. Does anyone
have a VT-320 keyboard they?d be willing to let go cheaply?
2) ?or, failing that, I found a posting of someone who?d done an
Arduino-based key code mapper that let him use a PS/2 (or maybe it was an
AT) keyboard as a replacement. The link to the actual project was dead,
though. Anyone have schematic and source code for such a project?
3) If anyone's got a DB-9-or-25-to-MMP cable you?d sell cheap, I?d be
happy to buy it instead or making my own. OK, that?s not really a
question. There?s a blank insert where the 25-pin connector usually is;
was that a ?feature? of the B2 model? (that?s a question but not much of
one)
?aaaaand while I?m here, another question.
4) I have a number of Apple IIs and one III that have sustained some
keyboard damage. Where can I get/what is the name of the little
plus-shaped keyboard stems for those? If I had a couple dozen that would
be most helpful.
Adam
8:31 p.m.
On Jul 31, 2019, at 7:25 PM, systems_glitch
<systems.glitch at gmail.com> wrote:
You can use a LK201 or the seemingly less desirable LK401 with the VT320. There are a
number of LK201s on eBay right now for reasonable prices. The cheap ones are always going
to be untested/dirty/possibly missing a key or two.
I ended up springing for one that was a bit more than $50 shipped. The lot of 9 for $150
is very tempting, especially if I could talk them out of some of the shipping since I am
also in Tucson and wouldn?t mind picking ?em up, but that?s way more keyboards than I am
ever going to have DEC terminals, I think.
Adam
9:15 p.m.
the cables are known to bad fairly often. Get a known good cable to test
them..
On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 10:31 PM Adam Thornton via cctech <
cctech at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I ended up springing for one that was a bit more than $50 shipped. The
lot of 9 for $150 is very tempting, especially if I could talk them out of
some of the shipping since I am also in Tucson and wouldn?t mind picking
?em up, but that?s way more keyboards than I am ever going to have DEC
terminals, I think.
Adam
On Jul 31, 2019, at 7:25 PM, systems_glitch
<systems.glitch at gmail.com>
wrote:
You can use a LK201 or the seemingly less desirable LK401 with the
VT320. There
are a number of LK201s on eBay right now for reasonable
prices. The cheap ones are always going to be untested/dirty/possibly
missing a key or two.
1 Aug
1 Aug
12:56 a.m.
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Subject: Re: A few VT-320 and keyboard questions
I ended up springing for one that was a bit more than $50 shipped. The lot of
9 for $150 is very tempting, especially if I could talk them out of some of the
shipping since I am also in Tucson and wouldn?t mind picking ?em up, but
that?s way more keyboards than I am ever going to have DEC terminals, I
think.
Adam
I don't know. Don't those also work with VaxStions? You could easily use three
like that, plus some spares...
Dave
On Jul 31, 2019, at 7:25 PM, systems_glitch
<systems.glitch at gmail.com>
wrote:
You can use a LK201 or the seemingly less desirable LK401 with the VT320.
There
are a number of LK201s on eBay right now for reasonable prices. The
cheap ones are always going to be untested/dirty/possibly missing a key or
two.
31 Jul
31 Jul
8:23 p.m.
The VT320 can use an LK401 or an LK201. I have a defective LK201 you can have for
shipping, if you want to repair it.
The M0110 keyboards usually used Alps SKCC tall cream switches.
https://deskthority.net/wiki/Apple_M0110
I have one complete one
https://www.elecshopper.com/apple-m0110a-keyboard-mitsumi-japan.html and an M0110
missing a couple of caps that I will sell for half that.
Cindy
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From: cctech [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Adam Thornton via
cctech
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 8:33 PM
To: cctech at classiccmp.org
Subject: A few VT-320 and keyboard questions
I just picked up a VT-320, with no keyboard.
I have some questions:
1) the price on DEC keyboards, at least on eBay, is insane. Does anyone have a VT-320
keyboard they?d be willing to let go cheaply?
2) ?or, failing that, I found a posting of someone who?d done an Arduino-based key code
mapper that let him use a PS/2 (or maybe it was an AT) keyboard as a replacement. The
link to the actual project was dead, though. Anyone have schematic and source code for
such a project?
3) If anyone's got a DB-9-or-25-to-MMP cable you?d sell cheap, I?d be happy to buy it
instead or making my own. OK, that?s not really a question. There?s a blank insert where
the 25-pin connector usually is; was that a ?feature? of the B2 model? (that?s a question
but not much of one)
?aaaaand while I?m here, another question.
4) I have a number of Apple IIs and one III that have sustained some keyboard damage.
Where can I get/what is the name of the little plus-shaped keyboard stems for those? If I
had a couple dozen that would be most helpful.
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