14 Sep
2004
14 Sep
'04
9:46 a.m.
What ever happened to asking people what software they
need to run and
recommending a platform that runs that software? A Mac laptop is a nice
machine, unless you need to run something windows based. If you need to run
Final Cut Pro don't get a DELL.
That should be the correct course of action.
I am a Mac Zealot, and I recommend PC's all the time. Why? Because people
come to me and say they want to get a computer for their kids to use for
school work, email, AIM, and games. As soon as they say games, I tell
them to get a Windows PC.
Then a year later, when they ask me what the best way is to deal with all
the popups, spyware, viri and other junk... I tell them to buy a Mac! :-)
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
14 Sep
14 Sep
7:19 a.m.
chris wrote:
My Spousal Equivalent has been running the last Windows box in the
house. I've been dragging her past the Apple displays every time we go
to a computer store, and whining loudly every time I have to update her
spyware tools or AV stuff, or fix Windows because some new app broke the
whole house of cards. I also made her an account on my G5 months ago in
the hope that she'd try it out during my frequent road trips.
I left Austin Sunday on a 2-week business trip. Two hours after I
left, Grace booted into a Windows Protection Fault, and now the box only
runs in safe mode. I have several ideas, but nothing I can walk her
through. She's being forced to use my Mac to do her email and bookkeeping.
I asked last night what she wants to do about fixing her system, and
pointed out that at minimum she needs to upgrade off Win98. Her
response was "no more Windows. I'm sick of the constant crap, and this
[we were setting up her POP3 account on the Mac] isn't nearly as hard as
I thought."
Singing, dancing, and other rejoicing took place.
Seriously. I have Macs, Linux PCs, a VMware ESX server running
several Linux VMs, a NetBSD laptop, Solaris SPARCs, an Alpha that's
teaching me VMS, and a 43P-150. Two thirds of my emergency fixit time
is on that damned Windows box.
Now all I have to do is pry her off my G5 when I get home.
Doc
What ever
happened to asking people what software they need to run and
recommending a platform that runs that software? A Mac laptop is a nice
machine, unless you need to run something windows based. If you need to run
Final Cut Pro don't get a DELL.
That should be the correct course of action.
I am a Mac Zealot, and I recommend PC's all the time. Why? Because people
come to me and say they want to get a computer for their kids to use for
school work, email, AIM, and games. As soon as they say games, I tell
them to get a Windows PC.
Then a year later, when they ask me what the best way is to deal with all
the popups, spyware, viri and other junk... I tell them to buy a Mac! :-) 
2:13 p.m.
On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 08:19:41AM -0400, Doc Shipley wrote:
Now all I have to do is pry her off my G5 when I get
home.
Get her a single proc G5, iMac or PowerMac?
I'll be happy when I can get my spouse onto a Mac. Though thankfully I
don't have to get her off Windows to do it. Instead she will be moving
over from Irix.
--
Joshua D. Boyd
jdboyd(a)jdboyd.net
http://www.jdboyd.net/
http://www.joshuaboyd.org/
10:18 a.m.
Joshua Boyd wrote:
On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 08:19:41AM -0400, Doc Shipley
wrote:
Oh, she's going to get a good Mac, don't get me wrong. I'm just
afraid she won't settle for a Lesser Mac after running 2x 2GHz and 1GB
of G5 goodness. :)
There's a dual-867 G4 soon to be available, and if that falls
through, I'll drop a couple of bills on a 1.4GHz upgrade for the
Sawtooth. Either of those should keep her happy, or she can whack her
own credit for a G5 iMac. Till then, I'll probably move the G5 to her
room and use the PowerBook at home, too.
Doc
Now all I have to do is pry her off my G5 when I
get home.
Get her a single proc G5, iMac or PowerMac?
2:10 p.m.
On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 10:46:30AM -0400, chris wrote:
I am a Mac Zealot, and I recommend PC's all the
time. Why? Because people
come to me and say they want to get a computer for their kids to use for
school work, email, AIM, and games. As soon as they say games, I tell
them to get a Windows PC.
Games? I'd say buy a PS2 or gamecube.
Or, to be a bit more classic, a Saturn, NeoGeo, or TG16.
Why screw up your computer choice for games when a seperate game box is
only $50-$150 (depending on which one and how you feel about
referbished).
--
jdboyd(a)jdboyd.net
http://www.jdboyd.net/
http://www.joshuaboyd.org/
10:12 a.m.
Joshua Boyd wrote:
On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 10:46:30AM -0400, chris
wrote:
Because for some of us it's not a religious question, and neither
Intel nor MS are Satan. Even Microsoft is only a problem when they
occupy production hardware.
MS will abandon I enough people move off MS computers, *and* enough
people buy XBoxes, production computing that much faster. If you look
at it in terms of profit focus, Gary actually *contributed* to the
demise of Windows by buying the XBox.
;)
Doc
I am a Mac Zealot, and I recommend PC's all
the time. Why? Because people
come to me and say they want to get a computer for their kids to use for
school work, email, AIM, and games. As soon as they say games, I tell
them to get a Windows PC.
Games? I'd say buy a PS2 or gamecube.
Or, to be a bit more classic, a Saturn, NeoGeo, or TG16.
Why screw up your computer choice for games when a seperate game box is
only $50-$150 (depending on which one and how you feel about
referbished). 
3:59 p.m.
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Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: laptop incident
Because some of the best games (IMHO) are for the PC only such as Age of
Empires, or oldies like Master of Orion. I have a Dreamcast, PSX, and even
an old Atari 2600 because some games are best played on a console, while
other are better (or only found) on a PC. have you ever tried to play Quake
or Unreal Tournament with a gamepad instead of a keyboard and mouse?
On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 10:46:30AM -0400, chris
wrote:
> I am a Mac Zealot, and I recommend PC's all the time. Why? Because
people
come to me and
say they want to get a computer for their kids to use for
school work, email, AIM, and games. As soon as they say games, I tell
them to get a Windows PC.
Games? I'd say buy a PS2 or gamecube.
Or, to be a bit more classic, a Saturn, NeoGeo, or TG16.
Why screw up your computer choice for games when a seperate game box is
only $50-$150 (depending on which one and how you feel about
referbished).
-- 
5:01 p.m.
> > school work, email, AIM, and games. As soon
as they say games, I tell
> > them to get a Windows PC.
>
> Games? I'd say buy a PS2 or gamecube.
>
> Or, to be a bit more classic, a Saturn, NeoGeo, or TG16.
If someone wants to play Neo Geo games on real hardware, they will be better
off getting an Arcade machine than a Neo Geo console. There are more games
available for the console, and the games tend to be cheaper. Go price
"Metal Slug" for the Console and then price it for the Arcade. For the
price of that one cart you can get a Arcade system and several carts! BTW,
the last carts for the Console and the Arcade were released this year. Not
a bad run when you consider that the Home Carts are released at $300 each.
Also, for classic consoles, don't forget the Sega Genesis. Great little
system with great games (of course so was the Saturn and Dreamcast).
Because some of the best games (IMHO) are for the PC
only such as Age of
Empires, or oldies like Master of Orion. I have a Dreamcast, PSX, and even
Gee, I'd best not tell my PowerMac G5 2x2 that the Mac version of Master of
Orion I run on it doesn't exist :^)
Zane
15 Sep
15 Sep
1:15 p.m.
New subject: Master of Orion (was: Re: laptop incident)
And thusly Zane H. Healy spake:
I loved sending in a swarm of thousands of little ships to take out almost
anything! :-D
Cheers,
Bryan
Because some of the best games (IMHO) are for the
PC only such as Age of
Empires, or oldies like Master of Orion. I have a Dreamcast, PSX, and even
Gee, I'd best not tell my PowerMac G5 2x2 that the Mac version of Master of
Orion I run on it doesn't exist :^)
Zane 
14 Sep
14 Sep
5:01 p.m.
On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 03:10:37PM -0400, Joshua Boyd wrote:
On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 10:46:30AM -0400, chris
wrote:
Or, if you are interested in older games, there are DOS emulators that
do a fine job - I've been playing X-COM on DosBox on a Linux machine.
DosBox exists because these older games are really fiddly about their
environment (sound especially). With some games, your choices pretty
much are a) have a real 486-class machine, ISA bus, certain sound
hardware, certain video hardware, etc., or b) emulate said environment.
Of course if your taste in games runs towards modern things like Doom3,
that pretty much specifies what kind of machine you need... (for the
unaware, min specs are 1.5GHz CPU, 384MB RAM, 64MB 3D video card...)
IIRC, MMORPGs like EverQuest, Asheron's Call, etc., not available for
consoles like the PS/2. If I'm wrong, then a game console would still
be a solution. I do not know if they are available for any environment
outside of Windows... but as they are a common answer when people are
asked "games? What kind of games?" that, too, may shape what kind of
machine would be required.
-ethan
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...I recommend PC's all the time. Why?
Because people...want...
games.
Games? I'd say buy a PS2 or gamecube.
Or, to be a bit more classic, a Saturn, NeoGeo, or TG16.
Why screw up your computer choice for games when a seperate game box is
only $50-$150 (depending on which one and how you feel about
referbished).
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