9 Sep
1998
9 Sep
'98
9:49 p.m.
I just picked up an Apple SoftCard /// still
shrinkwrapped. I almost
hate to open it up but I want to use it in my Apple /// since I collect
to learn and use instead of reselling. I'm pretty sure this is the
original shrinkwrap looking it over and the stickers on it but it made
me wonder.
Woha. Dont open. At least that what's I would do
(especialy since my Apple /// was stolen 2 weeks ago :().
Try to get a second one.
Is there any way to really know if someone is selling
you something that is in the original wrap or something they just re-
wraped? Guess you just have to follow the old "buy be ware".
Yes, or at least there are some hints. First, the type
of platic film is changing constantly (but you need a bit
experiance, since not only the material is different over
time, also for example, at the same time, companies in
Europe liked different material than those in the US).
Second the aging is visible thru the consistence. While
the years it gets harder and harder. Even if you get the
same material as uses when original, it takes some years
to get the softener out. And third: In a lot of cases
there are stickers on top. If you rewarp the card you
loose them. And most visible, forth: if you juse it
there will be dust on the card and traces on the books.
I always try to keep original packt items as they are,
althru I have some early singleboarders (i.e. 6800),
where I have to fight myself every time I see them :)
Gruss
H.
--
Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
HRK
10 Sep
10 Sep
2:53 a.m.
On 10 Sep 98, at 9:50, Hans Franke wrote:
Woha. Dont open. At least that what's I would do
(especialy since my Apple /// was stolen 2 weeks ago :().
Try to get a second one.
To late, already openned it. I never really had any intention of
leaving it wrapped. I bought it that way because I knew everything
would be there and I wanted to use it in my Apple ///. BTW, sorry
to hear about your Apple ///. Hope they didn't get anything else.
That has always worried me. Anyone breaking in wouldn't know
what this stuff really was and would think they just found
something that would get them thousands at the pawn shop.
to get the softener out. And third: In a lot of cases
there are stickers on top. If you rewarp the card you
loose them. And most visible, forth: if you juse it
there will be dust on the card and traces on the books.
Problem here is you may not know what stickers were there to
begin with so you wouldn't know if they were missing. And with the
last one, you would have to remove the wrap to check for dust on
the card or traces on the books. If you don't break the wrap and
open the box, you can't check for dust.
I always try to keep original packt items as they
are,
althru I have some early singleboarders (i.e. 6800),
where I have to fight myself every time I see them :)
I'd lose that fight. I don't have anything with a 6800 on it and would
love to play with one. Those suckers would be in use right now if
they were around my place. I do try and keep the original packing
materials around, ie. boxes and what not when I have them.
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5:07 a.m.
On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, David Williams wrote:
On 10 Sep 98, at 9:50, Hans Franke wrote:
> Woha. Dont open. At least that what's I would do
> (especialy since my Apple /// was stolen 2 weeks ago :().
> Try to get a second one.
Who stole your Apple ///? And under what circumstances??
To late, already openned it. I never really had any
intention of
leaving it wrapped. I bought it that way because I knew everything
would be there and I wanted to use it in my Apple ///. BTW, sorry
to hear about your Apple ///. Hope they didn't get anything else.
That has always worried me. Anyone breaking in wouldn't know
what this stuff really was and would think they just found
something that would get them thousands at the pawn shop.
Well, if your Altair was stolen and the pawn shop owner hung out on the
computer sections of eBay, then it might actually be worth thousands at
the pawn shop :)
Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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6:49 a.m.
On 10 Sep 98, at 10:07, Sam Ismail wrote:
Well, if your Altair was stolen and the pawn shop
owner hung out on the
computer sections of eBay, then it might actually be worth thousands at
the pawn shop :)
Ha! Fooled those thieves, I don't even have an Altair. :-)
But I wish I did. *sob*
Actually, I'd like to find any S-100 systems. The only one I've
picked up so far is my North Star Horizon. I was thinking of
building my own S-100 expansion for my Exidy Sorcerer though, I
think I just about have everything I need to attempt it.
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7:18 a.m.
On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, David Williams wrote:
Actually, I'd like to find any S-100 systems. The
only one I've
picked up so far is my North Star Horizon. I was thinking of
building my own S-100 expansion for my Exidy Sorcerer though, I
think I just about have everything I need to attempt it.
You needn't worry about looking any further. The Horizon is a classic in
its own right, and a right solid S-100 machine at that. Just ask Allison,
the staunchest N* supporter on the planet.
Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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7:54 a.m.
On 10 Sep 98, at 12:18, Sam Ismail wrote:
You needn't worry about looking any further. The
Horizon is a classic in
its own right, and a right solid S-100 machine at that. Just ask Allison,
the staunchest N* supporter on the planet.
And I would agree with her. I really like the N* even though I
haven't had much time to play with it yet. And all for only $4 from a
thrift who said it was just a big disk drive unit. N*DOS doesn't sit
to well with me though. Never cared much for a continuous block
OS. That was the one thing I didn't care for on my UCSD p-system.
But I also have CP/M for the N* and that's fine.
Still, I'd like some other S-100 systems, such as a Cromemco.
Sure, I'd take an Altair or IMSAI if I could get one for less than
EBay but I'm more interested in other S-100s. A SOL would be
good too. Got to get that box together for my Socerer.
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9:47 a.m.
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2:28 p.m.
On 10 Sep 98, at 22:47, Tony Duell wrote:
There was an official S100 expansion for the Sorcerer.
I have one, and I
also have the technical manual (= schematics) for it. Let me know if this
info would be of use to you. No I am not going to sell the unit...
Yes, that info would be a GREAT help. I knew that the unit existed
but so far I've been unable to locate one, other than some that are
in the hands of other collectors. Since I have some S-100 card
cages and back planes I thought I'd look into putting my own
together. Any info on the real one would be much appreciated.
They also had a combo monitor/disk drive unit I've always been on
the look out for but so far haven't located either.
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