23 Mar
1999
23 Mar
'99
2:13 p.m.
E-Bay banned fire arms for two reasons: First, they couldn't do the background checks
or check for stolen weapons. A legally valid reason, but likely an excuse. Second, if
someone were assaulted with a weapon bought on E-Bay, the way things are going, E-Bay
could be sued, and lose, BIG TIME. That's probably the real reason.
23 Mar
23 Mar
4:56 p.m.
"Barry A. Watzman" wrote:
E-Bay banned fire arms for two reasons:
Are these reasons official?
First, they couldn't do the background checks or
check for stolen weapons. A legally valid reason, but likely an excuse. Second, if
someone were assaulted with a weapon bought on E-Bay, the way things are going, E-Bay
could be sued, and lose, BIG TIME. That's probably the real reason.
The first is a given, but its not an excuse, its the law. The second is ridiculous, if
Ebay sells the firearms lawfully. How could someone sue Ebay for the sale of a firearm
used in a crime? That's like suing a gun store for selling a gun to a person who
robbed a bank with it. Unless Ebay doesn't sell the gun(s) according to the
law, Ebay will win. Sure, you can sue anyone for anything, but chances are the person
suing Ebay for something like that, and winning, is not likely at all!
5:26 p.m.
New subject: [OT] Re: sellers market - firearms
First, they
couldn't do the background checks or check for stolen weapons.
The first is a
given, but its not an excuse, its the law. but chances are the person suing Ebay for something
like that, and winning,
is not likely at all!
You obviously don't understand the jackpot theory of jurisprudence.
Can we take this discussion elsewhere?
24 Mar
24 Mar
4:49 a.m.
New subject: [OT] Re: sellers market - firearms
At 04:26 AM 3/24/99 -0000, you wrote:
No, it's not, at least under Federal and California laws. Other states don't
have jurisdiction, although some of them seem to think they do.
It's not the law in Florida either. But E-bays action is nothing new.
Lots of news-papers and TV stations are refusing to carry gun ads, even if
it's a private sale. Funny, since the papers and TV stations are always
screaming about "freedom of the press" when it comes to publishing things
like the names of rape victum or other things that have no reason to be
published.
Joe
First, they couldn't do the background checks or
check for stolen weapons.
The first is a given, but its not an excuse, its the law.
11:53 a.m.
New subject: [OT] Re: sellers market - firearms
It is in Georgia, at least w/ handguns sold in stores.
Joe wrote:
At 04:26 AM 3/24/99 -0000, you wrote:
No, it's not, at least under Federal and California laws. Other states don't
have jurisdiction, although some of them seem to think they do.
It's not the law in Florida either. But E-bays action is nothing new.
Lots of news-papers and TV stations are refusing to carry gun ads, even if
it's a private sale. Funny, since the papers and TV stations are always
screaming about "freedom of the press" when it comes to publishing things
like the names of rape victum or other things that have no reason to be
published.
Joe
First, they couldn't do the background checks or
check for stolen weapons.
The first is a given, but its not an excuse, its the law.
25 Mar
25 Mar
3:36 a.m.
New subject: [OT] Re: sellers market - firearms
At 05:53 PM 3/24/99 -0500, "bluoval" wrote:
It is in Georgia, at least w/ handguns sold in stores.
ALL guns sold in stores require some form of wait or back-ground check.
That's part of the Federal law (Brady Bill). But it doesn't apply to
private sales.
Individual states may have restrictions on private sales but I'm not
aware of any other than California, New York and some of the other New
England states.
What part of Georgia are you in?
Joe
Joe wrote:
> At 04:26 AM 3/24/99 -0000, you wrote:
> >>> First, they couldn't do the background checks or check for stolen
weapons.
> >> The first is a given, but its not an
excuse, its the law.
> >
> >No, it's not, at least under Federal and California laws. Other states
don't
have jurisdiction, although some of them seem to think
they do.
It's not the law in Florida either. But E-bays action is nothing new.
Lots of news-papers and TV stations are refusing to carry gun ads, even if
it's a private sale. Funny, since the papers and TV stations are always
screaming about "freedom of the press" when it comes to publishing things
like the names of rape victum or other things that have no reason to be
published.
Joe 
23 Mar
23 Mar
8:54 p.m.
New subject: OT: Re: sellers market - firearms
On Tue, 23 Mar 1999, bluoval wrote:
Sounds terribly stupid doesn't it? Well, SURPRISE! Its happening!
Cities are now going after gun stores to sue them for crimes committed
with the guns they sell.
You gotta love it!
First, they
couldn't do the background checks or check for stolen
weapons. A legally valid
reason, but likely an excuse. Second, if
someone were assaulted with a weapon bought on E-Bay, the way things
are going, E-Bay could be sued, and lose, BIG TIME. That's probably
the real reason.
The first is a given, but its not an excuse, its the law. The second
is ridiculous, if Ebay sells the firearms lawfully. How could someone
sue Ebay for the sale of a firearm used in a crime? That's like suing
a gun store for selling a gun to a person who robbed a bank with it. Unless Ebay doesn't sell the gun(s) according to
the law, Ebay will
win. Sure, you can sue anyone for anything, but chances are the person
suing Ebay for something like that, and winning, is not likely at all!
You'd be surprised just how assanine certain segments of the population
can be.
Please no flames. I've marked this as off topic. If you want to deride
me do it in private e-mail.
Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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24 Mar
24 Mar
11:43 a.m.
New subject: OT: Re: sellers market - firearms
The Devil is laughing his ass off.
Sellam Ismail wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 1999, bluoval wrote:
Sounds terribly stupid doesn't it? Well, SURPRISE! Its happening!
Cities are now going after gun stores to sue them for crimes committed
with the guns they sell.
You gotta love it!
First,
they couldn't do the background checks or check for stolen
weapons. A legally
valid reason, but likely an excuse. Second, if
someone were assaulted with a weapon bought on E-Bay, the way things
are going, E-Bay could be sued, and lose, BIG TIME. That's probably
the real reason.
The first is a given, but its not an excuse, its the law. The second
is ridiculous, if Ebay sells the firearms lawfully. How could someone
sue Ebay for the sale of a firearm used in a crime? That's like suing
a gun store for selling a gun to a person who robbed a bank with it. Unless Ebay doesn't sell the gun(s) according
to the law, Ebay will
win. Sure, you can sue anyone for anything, but chances are the person
suing Ebay for something like that, and winning, is not likely at all!
You'd be surprised just how assanine certain segments of the population
can be.
Please no flames. I've marked this as off topic. If you want to deride
me do it in private e-mail.
Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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4:55 a.m.
At 10:56 PM 3/23/99 -0500, "bluoval" wrote:
"Barry A. Watzman" wrote:
weapons.
A legally valid reason, but likely an excuse. Second, if someone
were assaulted with a weapon bought on E-Bay, the way things are going,
E-Bay could be sued, and lose, BIG TIME. That's probably the real reason.
E-Bay banned fire arms for two reasons:
Are these reasons official?
> First, they couldn't do the background checks or check for stolen
The first is a given, but its not an excuse, its the law. The second is
ridiculous,
if Ebay sells the firearms lawfully. How could someone sue
Ebay for the sale of a firearm used in a crime? That's like suing a gun
store for selling a gun to a person who robbed a bank with it.
Not as rediculous as it may seem. There have been lots of gun stores sued
for that reason. In fact, Walmart was sued for that exact thing a few years
ago and they quit carrying handguns because of that suit.
Unless Ebay doesn't sell the gun(s) according to the
law, Ebay will win.
They will probably win but you have to consider the legal costs. E-bay
is a business and if it costs more than they make on gun sales then they'll
drop the gun sales.
Sure, you can sue anyone for anything, but chances are the person suing
Ebay for
>something like that, and winning, is not likely at all!
But E-OverPay isn't willing to take that risk.
Joe
5 a.m.
Seriously off-topic, but hey, I didn't start it this time.
On Tue, 23 Mar 1999, bluoval wrote:
"Barry A. Watzman" wrote:
Last I checked, Ebay isn't the salesman anyway, it's the auction house
and it never has posession of the merchandise sold. Not that it
matters in the current atmosphere, remember that last month a lawyer in a
black robe in Brooklyn awarded millions of dollars in damages to a gang
member shot in a gunfight and since nobody knew what brand of gun was
used, a dozen or more manufacturers are being made to pay.
Oh, and if a gun is sold across state lines, it has to be shipped to
a federally licensed dealer anyway under a federal law of highly
questionable constitutionality (enacted because Lee Oswald bought his
rifle from a mail-order catalog). Ebay would be in the same legal
position as a newspaper or magazine that printed a want-ad.
--
Ward Griffiths
"the timid die just like the daring; and if you don't take the plunge then
you'll just take the fall" Michael Longcor
E-Bay banned fire arms for two reasons:
First, they couldn't do the background checks
or check for stolen weapons. A legally valid reason, but likely an excuse. Second, if
someone were assaulted with a weapon bought on E-Bay, the way things are going, E-Bay
could be sued, and lose, BIG TIME. That's probably the real reason.
The first is a given, but its not an excuse, its the law. The second is ridiculous, if
Ebay sells the firearms lawfully. How could someone sue Ebay for the sale of a firearm
used in a crime? That's like suing a gun store for selling a gun to a person who
robbed a bank with it. Unless Ebay doesn't sell the gun(s) according to the
law, Ebay will win. Sure, you can sue anyone for anything, but chances are the person
suing Ebay for something like that, and winning, is not likely at all! 
23 Mar
23 Mar
7:46 p.m.
"Barry A. Watzman" wrote:
E-Bay banned fire arms for two reasons: First, they couldn't do the background
checks or check for stolen weapons. A legally valid reason, but likely an excuse.
Second, if someone were assaulted with a weapon bought on E-Bay, the way things are going,
E-Bay could be sued, and lose, BIG TIME. That's probably the real reason.
Perhaps, but ebay has always claimed to be a venue, much like the classified
ads in the newspaper. Ebay has never (from anything I have read) ever come
out and told the reason(s) they stopped the listing of firearms. When fear
starts to make decisions such as the firearms decision on ebay, something is
really wrong.
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