21 Nov
2003
21 Nov
'03
1:01 p.m.
This died out, Do we want to do our own Wiki?
The last suggestion was that we make entries at WikiPedia [
http://en.wikipedia.org/ ]
I think we would be better served with our own Wiki, we would be able
to arrange the
data in a way that would mean something to us. Otherwise would have to
have our machines
peppered about in between other subjects.
I suggest this arrangement:
Introduction Year : Manufacturer : Model : User : Individual machine
Some Wiki's also allow for a user's home page. There I sugest each user
tell us about
their collection / machine (with a link to the machine page)
21 Nov
21 Nov
3:13 p.m.
It was thus said that the Great Ron Hudson once stated:
This died out, Do we want to do our own Wiki?
The last suggestion was that we make entries at WikiPedia [
http://en.wikipedia.org/ ]
I think we would be better served with our own Wiki, we would be able
to arrange the
data in a way that would mean something to us. Otherwise would have to
have our machines
peppered about in between other subjects.
I suggest this arrangement:
Introduction Year : Manufacturer : Model : User : Individual machine
Some Wiki's also allow for a user's home page. There I sugest each user
tell us about
their collection / machine (with a link to the machine page)
Okay. Took me only ten minutes or so, but I set up the
ClassicComputerWiki at
http://www.flummux.org/cgi-bin/ccwiki.pl
It's the code from the original Wiki at http://c2.com/cgi/wiki, in Perl.
Feel free to take a look around, add pages, commentary, what have you. If
anyone wants to host this themselves (say, at classiccmp.org, hint hint)
it's just one Perl script, no database required (just disk space) so it can
be moved with relatively no problems. I actually don't mind hosting it
though and I personally would be interested to see what happens.
So have at it.
-spc (it's pretty bare right now ... )
3:24 p.m.
I'm working on setting one up that is mysql based on classiccmp.org, since
mysql is already there, as is php.
Jay
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sean 'Captain Napalm' Conner" <spc(a)conman.org>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: Clasiccmp Wiki
It was thus said that the Great Ron Hudson once
stated:
can
This died out, Do we want to do our own Wiki?
The last suggestion was that we make entries at WikiPedia [
http://en.wikipedia.org/ ]
I think we would be better served with our own Wiki, we would be able
to arrange the
data in a way that would mean something to us. Otherwise would have to
have our machines
peppered about in between other subjects.
I suggest this arrangement:
Introduction Year : Manufacturer : Model : User : Individual machine
Some Wiki's also allow for a user's home page. There I sugest each user
tell us about
their collection / machine (with a link to the machine page)
Okay. Took me only ten minutes or so, but I set up the
ClassicComputerWiki at
http://www.flummux.org/cgi-bin/ccwiki.pl
It's the code from the original Wiki at http://c2.com/cgi/wiki, in Perl.
Feel free to take a look around, add pages, commentary, what have you. If
anyone wants to host this themselves (say, at classiccmp.org, hint hint)
it's just one Perl script, no database required (just disk space) so it be moved with relatively no problems. I actually
don't mind hosting it
though and I personally would be interested to see what happens.
So have at it.
-spc (it's pretty bare right now ... )
4:09 p.m.
On Friday, November 21, 2003, at 11:24 PM, Jay West wrote:
I'm working on setting one up that is mysql based
on classiccmp.org,
since
mysql is already there, as is php.
Should we add to Sean's? Do you think you could get his pages into your
wiki without too much work?
Jay
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sean 'Captain Napalm' Conner" <spc(a)conman.org>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: Clasiccmp Wiki
It was thus said that the Great Ron Hudson once
stated:
can
This died out, Do we want to do our own Wiki?
The last suggestion was that we make entries at WikiPedia [
http://en.wikipedia.org/ ]
I think we would be better served with our own Wiki, we would be able
to arrange the
data in a way that would mean something to us. Otherwise would have
to
have our machines
peppered about in between other subjects.
I suggest this arrangement:
Introduction Year : Manufacturer : Model : User : Individual machine
Some Wiki's also allow for a user's home page. There I sugest each
user
tell us about
their collection / machine (with a link to the machine page)
Okay. Took me only ten minutes or so, but I set up the
ClassicComputerWiki at
http://www.flummux.org/cgi-bin/ccwiki.pl
It's the code from the original Wiki at http://c2.com/cgi/wiki, in
Perl.
Feel free to take a look around, add pages, commentary, what have
you. If
anyone wants to host this themselves (say, at classiccmp.org, hint
hint)
it's just one Perl script, no database required (just disk space) so
it be moved with relatively no problems. I actually
don't mind hosting
it
though and I personally would be interested to see what happens.
So have at it.
-spc (it's pretty bare right now ... )
5:55 p.m.
It was thus said that the Great Ron Hudson once stated:
On Friday, November 21, 2003, at 11:24 PM, Jay West wrote:
I would think so. It's a single Perl script, and the data is stored in
flat files so it should be an easy thing to tar up and transfer over, change
the configuration in the Perl script and there you go.
The only reason I did it was that I had the script already downloaded
(months ago---started playing around with it at home, never did anything
with it) so it was a simple matter of tossing it onto a domain I own (since
I run my own web server), change the configuration and it's ready to go in
five minutes. It may not have as many features as other Wikis out there,
but it was dead simple to get running.
http://www.flummux.org/cgi-bin/ccwiki.pl
-spc (And I'll leave it to the community to organize it ... )
I'm working on setting one up that is mysql
based on classiccmp.org,
since
mysql is already there, as is php.
Should we add to Sean's? Do you think you could get his pages into your
wiki without too much work? 
25 Nov
25 Nov
5:50 a.m.
> > I suggest this arrangement:
> > Introduction Year : Manufacturer : Model :
User : Individual machine
> > Some Wiki's also allow for a user's home page. There I sugest each
user
> > tell us about
> > their collection / machine (with a link to the machine page)
> Okay. Took me only ten minutes or so, but I
set up the
> ClassicComputerWiki at
I'm working on setting one up that is mysql based
on classiccmp.org, since
mysql is already there, as is php.
Now, hold the horses, I don't want to put you down, but first of all,
we don't need another 3-5 new computers lists and collectors lists.
It's completely useless to have lots of ego-database projects. Better
join an existing: first of all, there's already Tizianos great list
and collectors data base, now at
http://www.1000bit.net/
(formerly known as Il mio angelo - My Angel :)
He has redone his website during this summer, and it's most definitly
worth to give it a try. To my knowledge it's the largest existing
cooperative project in this area. If your unhappy with some features,
just tell him, and I bet he will update them soon.
Second, our beloved friend an all time hot shoot Sallam is tries to
setup a similar system on his vintage market place. So, if a european
source is suspect to you, go ahead and see what he has in mind.
Last but not least, the question was rather about a Wiki, not just
a computer list (Hans Pufahls CCCC is still, and maybe will ever,
be the largest around). A Wikipedia is ment as an encyclopedia, and
as such a resource of everything, not just computers. Of course we
might go ahead an do our own little thing ... and let the rest of
the world pass us, or we join and tell others about our knowledge.
Just think where Jane Doe will look out for information. At some tiny
geek site, or the webs (and worlds) largest comperehensive encyclopedia
(*1), a place that she already uses whenever she would have taken a book
in the ages before the web?
wikipedia.org already houses some quite extensive information about
classic machinery. Just check Atari, Osborne or DEC
http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari
http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne
http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_Computer_Corporation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Equipment_Corporation
And unlike a narrow, just computer based list, entering Osborne shows
the full portential of an encyclopedia of everything.
So to me, there's no real decision to be made - just join (both
projects) and offer your knowledge directly to the world.
Gruss
H.
*1 - Just recently I heared that wikipedia surpasses the actual issue
of the encyclopedia Britanica in terms of size (words) and topics
--
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10:15 a.m.
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Hans Franke wrote:
It's completely useless to have lots of
ego-database projects. Better
join an existing: first of all, there's already Tizianos great list
and collectors data base, now at
http://www.1000bit.net/
(formerly known as Il mio angelo - My Angel :)
He has redone his website during this summer, and it's most definitly
worth to give it a try. To my knowledge it's the largest existing
cooperative project in this area. If your unhappy with some features,
just tell him, and I bet he will update them soon.
Tiziano's site is cool but it suffers from not having a complete database
of computer makes and models. All in all, it's a nice effort.
Second, our beloved friend an all time hot shoot
Sallam is tries to
setup a similar system on his vintage market place. So, if a european
source is suspect to you, go ahead and see what he has in mind.
The added advantage of the VCM database system is that it ties in to the
sales and trades. You can input your entire collection if you like or
just the items you wish to sell. In either case, whenever you sell or
acquire an item, the record for that item is transfered to the new owner,
thus automatically creating a line of provenance, which for rare and
exceptional items will be critical for future historical and monetary
valuations. After a while, with an item trading hands several times (and
as long as it all takes place on the VCM) you'll be able to know everyone
who owned your item before you: very cool.
wikipedia.org already houses some quite extensive
information about
classic machinery. Just check Atari, Osborne or DEC
Someone did a very decent Altair 8800 write-up as well.
I've been playing around with Wiki very briefly in recent days and find it
to be quite cool, and I think it is probably a permanent fixture in our
human culture. It's something that could have only come about with the
internet, and it puts the power of historical record into the hands of
ordinary folks, something that should scare the hell out of power whores.
No longer will history be written by the victors. Haha. Fuckers.
*1 - Just recently I heared that wikipedia surpasses
the actual issue
of the encyclopedia Britanica in terms of size (words) and topics
That's pretty amazing! It hasn't been around THAT long. Cool.
So anyway, I agree with Hans. Put all your vintage computer Wiki entries
into the Wikipedia.
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11:28 a.m.
On Tuesday, November 25, 2003, at 06:15 PM, Vintage Computer Festival
wrote:
Wikipidia is fine. Can we have our timeline on a page to point to
pages about systems?
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Hans Franke wrote:
Sellam's marketplace is nice. but it does it have a place for technical
notes,
procedures, how-tos, stories. How do I bring up a real PDP11 with
blinkenlights
and switches from cold iron? How do I install VMS on a vintage VAX?
What do I need
to know before I go and buy that vintage VAX?
It's completely useless to have lots of
ego-database projects. Better
join an existing: first of all, there's already Tizianos great list
and collectors data base, now at
http://www.1000bit.net/
(formerly known as Il mio angelo - My Angel :)
He has redone his website during this summer, and it's most definitly
worth to give it a try. To my knowledge it's the largest existing
cooperative project in this area. If your unhappy with some features,
just tell him, and I bet he will update them soon.
Tiziano's site is cool but it suffers from not having a complete
database
of computer makes and models. All in all, it's a nice effort.
Second, our beloved friend an all time hot shoot
Sallam is tries to
setup a similar system on his vintage market place. So, if a european
source is suspect to you, go ahead and see what he has in mind.
The added advantage of the VCM database system is that it ties in to
the
sales and trades. You can input your entire collection if you like or
just the items you wish to sell. In either case, whenever you sell or
acquire an item, the record for that item is transfered to the new
owner,
thus automatically creating a line of provenance, which for rare and
exceptional items will be critical for future historical and monetary
valuations. After a while, with an item trading hands several times
(and
as long as it all takes place on the VCM) you'll be able to know
everyone
who owned your item before you: very cool. wikipedia.org already houses some quite extensive
information about
classic machinery. Just check Atari, Osborne or DEC
Someone did a very decent Altair 8800 write-up as well.
I've been playing around with Wiki very briefly in recent days and
find it
to be quite cool, and I think it is probably a permanent fixture in our
human culture. It's something that could have only come about with the
internet, and it puts the power of historical record into the hands of
ordinary folks, something that should scare the hell out of power
whores.
No longer will history be written by the victors. Haha. Fuckers.
*1 - Just recently I heared that wikipedia
surpasses the actual issue
of the encyclopedia Britanica in terms of size (words) and topics
That's pretty amazing! It hasn't been around
THAT long. Cool.
So anyway, I agree with Hans. Put all your vintage computer Wiki
entries
into the Wikipedia.
--
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Festival
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Computers ]
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http://marketplace.vintage.org ]
11:39 a.m.
A good purposeful exercise would be to make the
classiccmp-FAQ be a wiki. The purposes are
merged, questions asked most frequently indicate
the answers, or topics, most needed.
John A.
What do I need to know before I go and buy that
vintage VAX?
Number one is how to boot it up with a unknown password:
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/faq/vmsfaq_005.html#mgmt5
2:06 p.m.
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, John Allain wrote:
A good purposeful exercise would be to make the
classiccmp-FAQ be a
wiki. The purposes are merged, questions asked most frequently indicate
the answers, or topics, most needed.
Hmmm, that's a good idea. I used to save useful messages posted to the
list (mostly Tony's :) with the intent to re-do the CC FAQ. I think a
ClassicCmp FAQ composed as a Wiki would be most cool.
Now, if Jay would get the Wiki modules loaded onto the classiccmp.org
server then I can start posting the messages that I saved.
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2:36 p.m.
On Tuesday, November 25, 2003, at 10:06 PM, Vintage Computer Festival
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, John Allain wrote:
> A good purposeful exercise would be to make the classiccmp-FAQ be a
> wiki. The purposes are merged, questions asked most frequently
> indicate
> the answers, or topics, most needed.
It's been a while since I have read the FAQ, did in answer
technical/procedural
questions?
Hmmm, that's a good idea. I used to save useful messages posted to the
list (mostly Tony's :) with the intent to re-do the CC FAQ. I think a
ClassicCmp FAQ composed as a Wiki would be most cool.
Now, if Jay would get the Wiki modules loaded onto the classiccmp.org
server then I can start posting the messages that I saved.
--
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Festival
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26 Nov
26 Nov
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25 Nov
2:04 p.m.
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Ron Hudson wrote:
Sellam's marketplace is nice. but it does it have
a place for technical
notes, procedures, how-tos, stories. How do I bring up a real PDP11 with
blinkenlights and switches from cold iron? How do I install VMS on a
vintage VAX? What do I need to know before I go and buy that vintage
VAX?
Um, we're running a marketplace, not a Wikipedia.
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[ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]
2:38 p.m.
On Tuesday, November 25, 2003, at 10:04 PM, Vintage Computer Festival
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Ron Hudson wrote:
exactly.
Sellam's marketplace is nice. but it does it
have a place for
technical
notes, procedures, how-tos, stories. How do I bring up a real PDP11
with
blinkenlights and switches from cold iron? How do I install VMS on a
vintage VAX? What do I need to know before I go and buy that vintage
VAX?
Um, we're running a marketplace, not a Wikipedia.
--
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Festival
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
-------
International Man of Intrigue and Danger
http://www.vintage.org
[ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage
Computers ]
[ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at
http://marketplace.vintage.org ]
3:06 p.m.
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Ron Hudson wrote:
Exactly...what?
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On Tue, 25 Nov
2003, Ron Hudson wrote:
exactly. Sellam's marketplace is nice. but it does it
have a place for
technical
notes, procedures, how-tos, stories. How do I bring up a real PDP11
with
blinkenlights and switches from cold iron? How do I install VMS on a
vintage VAX? What do I need to know before I go and buy that vintage
VAX?
Um, we're running a marketplace, not a Wikipedia.
3:45 p.m.
On Tuesday, November 25, 2003, at 11:06 PM, Vintage Computer Festival
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Ron Hudson wrote:
Exactly...what?
I was saying your site is great as a market place, but I was proposing
the wiki
as a place we could add "notes procedures howtos...". To which you
pointed out
"Um, we're running a marketplace, not a Wikipedia." to which I said
"exactly", exactly what I was saying. :^)
On Tue,
25 Nov 2003, Ron Hudson wrote:
exactly. Sellam's marketplace is nice. but it does it
have a place for
technical
notes, procedures, how-tos, stories. How do I bring up a real PDP11
with
blinkenlights and switches from cold iron? How do I install VMS on a
vintage VAX? What do I need to know before I go and buy that vintage
VAX?
Um, we're running a marketplace, not a Wikipedia.
--
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer
Festival
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
-------
International Man of Intrigue and Danger
http://www.vintage.org
[ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage
Computers ]
[ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at
http://marketplace.vintage.org ]
26 Nov
26 Nov
1:29 a.m.
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Ron Hudson wrote:
I was saying your site is great as a market place, but
I was proposing
the wiki as a place we could add "notes procedures howtos...". To which
you pointed out "Um, we're running a marketplace, not a Wikipedia." to
which I said "exactly", exactly what I was saying. :^)
Hans suggested the VCM as a place to store a database of one's collection,
not as an alternative to a Wiki.
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25 Nov
25 Nov
10:12 p.m.
Am 25 Nov 2003 19:28 meinte Ron Hudson:
>> wikipedia.org already houses some quite
extensive information about
>> classic machinery. Just check Atari, Osborne or DEC
> Someone did a very decent Altair 8800 write-up as
well.
> No longer will history be written by the victors.
Haha. Fuckers.
>> *1 - Just recently I heared that wikipedia
surpasses the actual issue
>> of the encyclopedia Britanica in terms of size (words) and topics
Wikipidia is fine. Can we have our timeline on a page
to point to
pages about systems?
Shure. That'll be a separate wiki entry, able to point to other.
My idea would rather be a set of timelines with special wiews,
crosslinked to give the bigger picture.
Gruss
H.
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26 Nov
26 Nov
2:30 a.m.
On Wednesday, November 26, 2003, at 06:12 AM, Hans Franke wrote:
Am 25 Nov 2003 19:28 meinte Ron Hudson:
Wikipedia has nice articles for the general public about various
machines. No technical
detail, no procedures.
>> wikipedia.org already houses some quite
extensive information about
>> classic machinery. Just check Atari, Osborne or DEC
>> Someone did a very decent Altair 8800 write-up as well.
5:49 a.m.
Am 26 Nov 2003 10:30 meinte Ron Hudson:
On Wednesday, November 26, 2003, at 06:12 AM, Hans
Franke wrote:
> Am 25 Nov 2003 19:28 meinte Ron Hudson:
>>>> wikipedia.org already houses some quite extensive information about
>>>> classic machinery. Just check Atari, Osborne or DEC
>>> Someone did a very decent Altair 8800
write-up as well.
Wikipedia has nice articles for the general public
about various
machines. No technical detail, no procedures.
Now, if my memory still serves me, exactly that was the original
intention. Collecting knowledge about classic computers _and_
make it available to the general audience (Of course also, trying
to remove inaccurate sources).
The other topic addressed was a database of all computers, so one
could browse, as in a catalog. Also maybe a collectors database.
Tizianos 1000bit is (to me) the best attempt to do this on the
whole web.
Now, your intention looks more like a technical library for certain
computers ... such stuff is already out there, and I think classic
web organisation is sufficient for this task.
Gruss
H.
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2:21 p.m.
On Wednesday, November 26, 2003, at 01:49 PM, Hans Franke wrote:
Now, if my memory still serves me, exactly that was
the original
intention. Collecting knowledge about classic computers _and_
make it available to the general audience (Of course also, trying
to remove inaccurate sources).
The other topic addressed was a database of all computers, so one
could browse, as in a catalog. Also maybe a collectors database.
Tizianos 1000bit is (to me) the best attempt to do this on the
whole web.
Now, your intention looks more like a technical library for certain
computers ... such stuff is already out there, and I think classic
web organisation is sufficient for this task.
My intent was to create a place where knowledge about classic computers
could be gathered. Classic websites have two (I hate to use the word)
flaws
1) They are not toghether in one place - leading to loss of information
2) You must know some HTML to author a website (not to mention having
some sort of web hosting)
Wiki allows un-initiated users to edit pages without knowing any HTML.
Our Wiki,( Vs someone else's ) would allow us to concentrate the
information
we have learned the hard way, somtimes by trial and error. It keeps that
information in a single searchable location.
Gruss
H.
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21 Nov
21 Nov
4:07 p.m.
On Friday, November 21, 2003, at 11:13 PM, Sean 'Captain Napalm'
Conner wrote:
It was thus said that the Great Ron Hudson once
stated:
Okay. Took me only ten minutes or so, but I set up the
ClassicComputerWiki at
http://www.flummux.org/cgi-bin/ccwiki.pl
It's the code from the original Wiki at http://c2.com/cgi/wiki, in
Perl.
Feel free to take a look around, add pages, commentary, what have you.
If
anyone wants to host this themselves (say, at classiccmp.org, hint
hint)
it's just one Perl script, no database required (just disk space) so
it can
be moved with relatively no problems. I actually don't mind hosting it
though and I personally would be interested to see what happens.
So have at it.
-spc (it's pretty bare right now ... )
Thanks Sean!!
I have imposed some structure there.
By no means does my idea have to stand. If it's not suitable perhaps
Sean
can wipe us back down to a clean slate. I apollogize ahead of time if I
was too pushy. :^)
I hope however that it will work.
There is a page for links to years. with two years present.
There is a page for links to machines - HP41C calculator the first
machine posted is present.
On each machine page, add a page for your machine, Then go on to say
whatever you want about
your machine. We can also add a hint/tips/procedures. information.
Section for each machine.
This is where the "Meat" of the information will be found.
There is a page for links to US - my page present. Put up a page for
yourself. Tell the rest
of us about your collecting.
Who's next to add stuff?
It's easy!
Just type. Anything that you want to be a link should have intercaps
in it - LikeThis
That will become a link. If a page with that name already exists you
will link to that
page. The page for the hp41C entry is HewletPackard41C. If that page
does not exist it
will put a "?" next to the link-word. If you click the "?" it takes
you
to a blank page
for you to write.
Look around and see how how the structure works. Try out editing the
sandbox.
It will help if you leave blank lines before and after your additions.
22 Nov
22 Nov
5:06 p.m.
> This died out, Do we want to do our own Wiki?
No offense to anyone, likely it's my own denseness, but
wikis seem to me to be a peculiar form of write-only memory.
Trees are really attractive, but only if a nice complicated
program is hiding the structure from me.
Data storage isn't the problem, retreival is.
I can never find anything specific in one, though they
are nice to browse through. Nothing beats large amounts
of human effort when compiling data for later reference.
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allain＠panix.com -
ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk -
Hans.Franke＠mch20.sbs.de -
jwest＠classiccmp.org -
rhudson＠cnonline.net -
spc＠conman.org -
tomj＠wps.com -
vance＠neurotica.com -
vcf＠siconic.com