17 May
1999
17 May
'99
3:55 p.m.
Hi everyone,
I have a friend that is leaving Wednesday for
Russia and eastern Europe. She said that she
could look around over there for old computers,
if I could supply her with some names of
computers to look for.
Does anyone know the make and model of some
classic soviet computers? They don't have to
be just "personal" computers. Big Iron is also
acceptable.
So far, after a web search, the only names
I have are the "TESLA" pc that someone brought
to VCF 2 and "BESM-6" a mainframe from about
1965.
If you can come up with other soviet/russian
computers, please copy me as well as the list
(so I don't have to wait for the digest) and
also give some indication of size (just to
help identify them).
Thanks in advance,
--Doug
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Doug Coward
Press Start Inc.
Sunnyvale,CA
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17 May
17 May
5:35 p.m.
The main ones I know of are the Pentagon and Scorpion computers, these are
z80 based speccy clones. I've been trying to buy one from Ru for a few years
with no sucess.
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Coward <dcoward(a)pressstart.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 7:55 PM
Subject: Soviet/Russian classic computers?
Hi everyone,
I have a friend that is leaving Wednesday for
Russia and eastern Europe. She said that she
could look around over there for old computers,
if I could supply her with some names of
computers to look for.
Does anyone know the make and model of some
classic soviet computers? They don't have to
be just "personal" computers. Big Iron is also
acceptable.
So far, after a web search, the only names
I have are the "TESLA" pc that someone brought
to VCF 2 and "BESM-6" a mainframe from about
1965.
If you can come up with other soviet/russian
computers, please copy me as well as the list
(so I don't have to wait for the digest) and
also give some indication of size (just to
help identify them).
Thanks in advance,
--Doug
=========================================
Doug Coward
Press Start Inc.
Sunnyvale,CA
=========================================
9:58 p.m.
On Mon, May 17, 1999 at 05:55:30PM -0700, Doug Coward wrote:
Does anyone know the make and model of some
classic soviet computers? They don't have to
be just "personal" computers. Big Iron is also
acceptable.
Comprehensive Computer Catalogue <URL:http://www.digiweb.com/~hansp/ccc/>
lists many machines of Big Iron class (search with country name "USSR"); no
size/weight information is available there.
Here's a list of URLs for present and future collectors of computing
hardware of Soviet/Russian origin. You'll need to know Russian (or have
translation software handy) to read most of them.
Use your imagination and <URL:http://www.yandex.ru/>,
<URL:http://www.aport.ru/>, <URL:http://www.rambler.ru/> to find out more.
(Too bad that Deja.com treats 8-bit characters as white space...)
*** Computer museums
<URL:http://www.computer-museum.ru/>
Virtual computer museum of Russia.
<URL:http://www.uniyar.ac.ru/museum/>
Another virtual museum.
<URL:http://www.philosophy.nsc.ru/life/journals/humscience/2_97/24_pokr.htm>,
An article about real computer museum.
*** Books and other sources of information
<URL:http://www.icfcst.kiev.ua/FRAME/books-fr.htm>
"History Computer Science Books"
(images of early Soviet computers are linked from this page.)
"Microprocessor devices and systems" (ISSN 0233-4844) -- many original
designs, frequently with schematics, were published there.
<URL:http://www-db.stanford.edu/pub/gio/paperlist.html>
74. Wegner, Peter, J. Nestor, E. Schonberg, S. Smoliar, P.J.
Weinberger, G. Wiederhold, and P. Wolcott: System Software for
Soviet Computers; FASAC Technical Assessment Report, Science
Applications International Corporation, McLean VA, August 1989.
<URL:http://www.cbi.umn.edu/inv/nbs3.htm>
* ---. Soviet Cybernetics Technology: I. Soviet Cybernetics, 1959-
1962, 1963 Jun. NBS #: 6303048.
* ---. Soviet Cybernetics Technology: II. General Characteristics of
Several Soviet Computers, 1963 Aug. NBS #: 6303052.
* ---. Soviet Cybernetics Technology: III, Programming Elements of
the BESM, STRELA, URAL, M-3, and KIEV Computers, 1963 Sep. NBS #:
6326275.
* ---. Soviet Cybernetics Technology: V. Soviet Process Control
Computers, 1965 Nov. NBS #: 6526276.
<URL:http://www.cowo.de/archiv/1975/43/7543c024.html>
Die Sowjets bemu:hen sich aufzuholen (soviets strive to catch up)
*** Folklore
<URL:http://www.dorje.com:8080/netstuff/folklore/soviet.comps>
<URL:http://www.vpti.vladimir.ru/rus/archives/humor/es.html>
A piece of folklore about ES-10xx series of machines.
<URL:http://www.cplus.fr/musee/english/games/tetris-e.html>
Yet Another Story of Tetris.
<URL:http://clubgate.child.ru/~mrbear/slang.txt>
Computerese Slang Dictionary (Russian-to-Russian).
<URL:http://www.deja.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=228171597>
"How original design was killed by The Mgt. and replaced by LSI-11
compatible one"
<URL:http://www-win.alex.krsk.ru/198_/1988/1988_06.htm>
"Using OS DWK" (OS DWK is localized RT-11)
<URL:nntp://fido7.mo.dec>
<URL:nntp://fido7.su.mainframe>
<URL:nntp://fido7.ru.bigblue>
<URL:nntp://fido7.zx.spectrum>
<URL:nntp://fido7.real.speccy>
These are FidoNet echomail conferences, bidirectionally gatewayed
to Usenet. See <URL:http://www.fido7.ru/> for details.
*** Big Iron
<URL:http://www.ipmce.ru/becm-1.htm>
BESM-1
<URL:http://www.deja.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=143680621>
BESM-6 -- summary
<URL:http://www.mailcom.com/besm6/>
BESM-6 emulator
<URL:http://www.icmm.perm.su/eng/lab-10-tis/about/05-history.html>
BESM-6, El'Brus-1KB
<URL:http://www.mte.ru/www/toim.nsf/b634b5261b8d9e7ec325661f0033c81d/15aea5330cbf4e02c325661e0023045f?OpenDocument>
El'brus
<URL:http://www.hnf.de/museum/eser.html>
ES-1055? on display in Heinz Nixdorf MuseumsForum
*** BK-0010
<URL:http://www.users.itl.net.ua/~prool/BK-0010.html>
<URL:http://people.weekend.ru/vanyas/museumbk/>
<URL:http://www.halyava.ru/magicpage/>
Museum of BK-0010.
<URL:http://rdc.cch.pmc.ru/>
BK-0010 emulator for the Amiga.
<URL:http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=19671&a=92129&p=10285040>
A photo of 3 BK-0010's and a DWK-3.
*** Sinclair ZX Spectrum
<URL:http://www.zx.ru/zx.ru/>
ZX Spectrum software museum.
<URL:http://www.the-den.clara.net/ys/articles/ragehard0191.htm>
A story about Hobbit, a clone of ZX Spectrum.
<URL:http://www.uniyar.ac.ru/museum/zx/rus_zx.html>
Overview of different ZX Spectrum clones.
*** Misc
<URL:http://czyborra.com/charsets/cyrillic.html>
Cyrillic Charset Soup.
<URL:http://www.chat.ru/~samosvl/>
Internet and education.
<URL:http://windoms.sitek.net/~fiks/tetris.zip>
"Tetris" for the MK-85 calculator.
<URL:http://www.zhurnal.ru/1/maslov.htm>
"Early days of Internet in Russia"
<URL:http://kulichki.rambler.ru/moshkow/unixhelp/>
Some user documentation on Besta-88. Reportedly, Linux
<URL:http://www.deja.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=329737050> and NetBSD
were ported to this machine.
<URL:http://www.halyava.ru/pdp11/>
PDPC board -- a PDP-11 compatible processor on an ISA card.
<URL:http://www.deja.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=341117190>
"This is full-size ISA board, called VAX/PC, which use original Zelenograd's
microprocessor series L1839 and support chips. It's analog of microVAX-II with
speed 1.9 MIPS and 8 (or may be more) MB of memory. The board have external
Q-bus interface for old devices. PC's software emulated VAX's periferals: RQDX-3
(hard & floppy disk controller), console VT-220, two serial ports and printer.
You may ask Victor Khromychev or Sergey Shisarin at IC design department of
"Angstrem" joint stock company. E-mail: dc320(a)angstrem.compnet.ru, phone:
+7-(095)-532-8105, fax +7-(095)-531-3270."
PK11/16 -- home computer
<URL:http://www.metrex.ru/AbMetrex.htm> -- former manufacturer?
<URL:http://www.deja.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=37394602>
*** Software
<URL:http://www.epa.ru/>
(Commercial software) Emulator of IBM System 360 and System
370-series clones (ES-10xx) for Linux and OS/2.
<URL:ftp://ftp.nit.spb.su/pub/pub/unix/Demos_2.2/Demos_2.2_for_DVK.tar>
DEMOS 2.2 -- UNIX for DWK-3
--
Sergey Svishchev -- svs{at}ropnet{dot}ru
18 May
18 May
9:58 a.m.
Well many thanks to "DM", Megan, and Sergey for their replies.
I like learning something new everyday. I have to confess that
all I knew about Soviet personal computers came from a picture
I saw about 15 years ago. It was the picture if a Apple II
motherboard and keyboard mounted in a wooden box.
At 10:58 AM 5/18/99 +0400, Sergey wrote:
You'll need to know Russian (or have
translation software handy) to read most of them.
OT: That brings up a good point. I've tried before, searching
for "something" to translate Russian pages. What I found was
Intertrans - http://www.seagull.net/tranexp/intertran/
But on the pages I wanted translated, it seem to only translate
every 10th word, which could have been a coincident. :)
Does it help for me to add Russian to my Netscape language preferences?
(I'm using Communicator 4.5)
Are there any suggestions for a better & free translator?
Thanks again,
--Doug
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Doug Coward
Press Start Inc.
Sunnyvale,CA
=========================================
10:42 a.m.
On Tue, 18 May 1999, Doug Coward wrote:
Are there any suggestions for a better & free
translator?
Yes, me :)
--Max Eskin (max82(a)surfree.com)
http://scivault.hypermart.net: Ignorance is Impotence - Knowledge is Power
4:35 p.m.
New subject: Translator was: Re: Soviet/Russian classic computers?
Upon the date 03:42 PM 5/18/99 -0400, Max Eskin said something like:
On Tue, 18 May 1999, Doug Coward wrote:
Great! But getting you transported to the site which one needs a
translation could be sort of pricey depending upon distance :-)
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Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian
Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net
Member of Antique Wireless Association
URL: http://www.ggw.org/awa
Are there any suggestions for a better & free
translator?
Yes, me :)
19 May
19 May
12:28 a.m.
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 11:58:47AM -0700, Doug Coward wrote:
<URL:http://www.translate.ru/eng/>
--
Sergey Svishchev -- svs{at}ropnet{dot}ru
You'll
need to know Russian (or have
translation software handy) to read most of them.
Are there any suggestions for a better & free translator?
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