25 Jan
1999
25 Jan
'99
4:40 p.m.
Marvin,
Just to let you know... I had already put a bid on at least one of the items
you posted about, and I was planning to snipe another one. I'm not going to
tell you not to post your lists, but I'd be happier if you didn't.
- Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug <doug(a)blinkenlights.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: Ebay: Stuff & Help needed with Osborne 1
On Mon, 25 Jan 1999, Marvin wrote:
I really thought and hoped this topic had died a
well deserved death.
Me too, but you couldn't resist. Might I suggest a compromise? I will
host a special "Marvin's Ebay Advertising" list. Anybody can subscribe,
and you can make as much noise and as many bidders miserable as you like,
OK?
-- Doug
25 Jan
25 Jan
5:13 p.m.
Hi Joe,
Just to let you know... I had already put a bid on at
least one of the items
you posted about, and I was planning to snipe another one. I'm not going to
tell you not to post your lists, but I'd be happier if you didn't.
Sorry if the posts caused you a problem, as that was not my intent. I am
*really* trying to rein myself in from going wild and making one posting a
day giving what I think are interesting auctions (and this is in no way
directed at you!) as a direct attack on basically Doug for making such a
racket about my posts. Doug and I have a very basic disagreement in our
philosophies of what this hobby is all about. But that disagreement has
absolutely no business being brought up to the listserver on a constant
basis.
As I have said before publically, I will continue to post items I think
might be of interest to the list members. I have gone to quite a few
auctions, and I have no problem telling friends of mine what is going on
even when I know they might well be bidding against me. While I might end
up losing a few items, the benefits of working together far outway any short
term loses.
BTW, I think any experienced bidder will snipe, and I tell everyone I know
that wants to buy on ebay to snipe. I still remember driving up the price on
a Sol-20 by checking and bidding every day against someone else who wanted
it (and got it!)
5:30 p.m.
On Mon, 25 Jan 1999, Marvin wrote:
directed at you!) as a direct attack on basically Doug
for making such a
racket about my posts. Doug and I have a very basic disagreement in our
philosophies of what this hobby is all about. But that disagreement has
absolutely no business being brought up to the listserver on a constant
basis.
Marvin, this is not about you and me. I'm confrontational (I guess there
was a side-effect to the frontal lobotomy after all), so I can understand
you framing it that way. And I also understand why more people would
benefit from your ads than those who will lose because of them. But
please understand that YOU ARE DIRECTLY COSTING PEOPLE ON THIS LIST MONEY.
Please stop. If you cannot stop, please let me know why the separate list
idea doesn't work for you.
-- Doug
26 Jan
26 Jan
8:11 a.m.
New subject: Ebay: Stuff & Help needed with Osborne 1
On Mon, 25 Jan 1999, Marvin wrote:
BTW, I think any experienced bidder will snipe, and I
tell everyone I know
that wants to buy on ebay to snipe. I still remember driving up the price on
a Sol-20 by checking and bidding every day against someone else who wanted
it (and got it!)
And that gave you great satisfaction, I take it?
- don
9:47 a.m.
New subject: Ebay: Stuff & Help needed with Osborne 1
Don Maslin wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jan 1999, Marvin wrote:
I thought it would go without saying that I would not have bid had I not
wanted it. Having a mint Sol-20 w/ floppy drives, docs, and disks would be
high on my want list. Now, I would just take note of it, and place the
highest bid I was willing to pay within a minute or so of the closing time
(sniping.)
BTW, I think any experienced bidder will snipe,
and I tell everyone I know
that wants to buy on ebay to snipe. I still remember driving up the price on
a Sol-20 by checking and bidding every day against someone else who wanted
it (and got it!)
And that gave you great satisfaction, I take it?
10:14 a.m.
New subject: Geniac Manuals
Today, I was helping a friend clean out her garage, and among many other
things were the original Geniac Manuals, "Geniacs: Simple Electric Brain
Machines and How to Make Them" Copyright 1955 by Oliver Garfield along with
some other Geniac related instructions and experiments. My plan at this
point is to put them on ebay starting at $500 and ... NOT; just pushing
buttons. It is possible that there is a Geniac still there someplace and
I'll be checking that out during the next few weeks.
For you people who live and die by ebay, I'd like to point out that if *I*
had not been there, these manuals would have gone to the recycler. Ebay
stuff almost by definition has already been rescued. Stuff like these
Geniac manuals are heading to the dumpster/recycler on an almost constant
basis. So far, I personally have probably rescued close to 100 cubic feet
of stuff that was destined for the dumpster/recycler over the past year or
so. Which is more important, complaining about ebay postings on stuff that
is unlikely to be dumpstered, or actually saving stuff that WOULD go to the
dumpster/recycler???? I would be the first to admit it is easier to
complain.
10:33 a.m.
New subject: Geniac Manuals
On Tue, 26 Jan 1999, Marvin wrote:
so. Which is more important, complaining about ebay
postings on stuff that
is unlikely to be dumpstered, or actually saving stuff that WOULD go to the
dumpster/recycler???? I would be the first to admit it is easier to
complain.
How about we all rescue artifacts, share them with the world, and work to
keep others in our hobby from being screwed.
(Why do I feel like singing Peter, Paul and Mary songs all of the sudden?)
-- Doug
1:19 p.m.
New subject: Ebay: Stuff & Help needed with Osborne 1
On Tue, 26 Jan 1999, Don Maslin wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jan 1999, Marvin wrote:
I wonder what he'd have done if he "won" and had to pony up the cash?
--
Ward Griffiths
"the timid die just like the daring; and if you don't take the plunge then
you'll just take the fall" Michael Longcor
BTW, I think any experienced bidder will snipe,
and I tell everyone I know
that wants to buy on ebay to snipe. I still remember driving up the price on
a Sol-20 by checking and bidding every day against someone else who wanted
it (and got it!)
And that gave you great satisfaction, I take it?
1:27 p.m.
New subject: Ebay: Stuff & Help needed with Osborne 1
On Mon, 25 Jan
1999, Marvin wrote:
I wonder what he'd have done if he "won" and had to pony up the cash?
BTW, I think any experienced bidder will snipe,
and I tell everyone I know
that wants to buy on ebay to snipe. I still remember driving up the price on
a Sol-20 by checking and bidding every day against someone else who wanted
it (and got it!)
And that gave you great satisfaction, I take it?
2:09 p.m.
New subject: Ebay: Stuff & Help needed with Osborne 1
Doug wrote:
I think what Marvin was saying (correct me if I'm wrong, Marvin) is that
he used to be a naive bidder and *unintentionally* ran up the price until
he finally saw the light and became a sniper.
Thanks Doug! That was exactly what I meant, but it never occurred to me
that someone would mis-interpret what I said. I most certainly did not see
the light on that auction!!!
On Mon,
25 Jan 1999, Marvin wrote:
I wonder what he'd have done if he "won" and had to pony up the cash?
BTW, I think any experienced bidder will snipe,
and I tell everyone I know
that wants to buy on ebay to snipe. I still remember driving up the price on
a Sol-20 by checking and bidding every day against someone else who wanted
it (and got it!)
And that gave you great satisfaction, I take it?
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