I posted it because it was the best done site I saw and the fact that all sorts of dipsticks out my way (and likely everywhere else) has no idea that you aren't supposed to drag it on the ground, light it at night, that there are different sized flags for different uses, etc. I'm 45 and had all sorts of civics in Chicago in the early 60's through my graduation in 1975 from high school and went to carry it all on in my 20 in the AF. I've been part of both the law enforcement team that did the base flag and honro guard at funerals so I've had more exposure than the average person. I thought with all these people that normally couldn't even identify a US flag from a Navajo quilt that it might help these people without pointing them out. Dave's just got a problem with gov't workers is all. -> -----Original Message----- -> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Eric J. Korpela -> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 6:49 PM -> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> Subject: Re: FYI: Proper flag uses per Public Law 93-344 -> -> -> > If you live in Wisconsin - it was done by them. I'd rather -> they did this -> > than to be out golfing on tax dollars though. -> -> I went to a public school in Wisconsin. We were taught how to display -> the flag in grade school (in the 70s). IMHO, anyone patriotic enough to -> display the flag should be patriotic enough to take it down at night, to -> keep it out of the rain, and to wrap it properly when it is -> disposed of. -> It's not going to be a symbol that commands respect if US citizens don't -> treat it with respect. Nobody here younger than 70 seems to be -> aware that -> there are any guidelines at all. -> -> If the Wisconsin DVA wants to let people know how it's done, that's fine -> by me. -> -> Eric -> -> > -> On September 23, Russ Blakeman wrote: -> > -> > Just for those who aren't aware of the proper uses and display -> > -> of the US -> > -> > flag in this moment of everyone just having to display it -> > -> lately, here's a -> > -> > well done resource for reference. This is a guideline made -> > -> from US Public -> > -> > Law 93-344 and done in a layman's format so it's easy to grasp -> > -> and use. It -> > -> > might even be a good idea for local newspapers to print a -> > -> variation of this -> > -> > once to inform people that don't know that they may be "doing -> > -> it wrong" -> > -> > -> > -> > http://www.state.wi.us/agencies/dva/museum/flaguse.html -> > -> -> > -> For those who think our government isn't overstaffed and -> overflowing -> > -> with people who have too much free time on their hands...this should -> > -> erase all doubt once and for all. -> > -> -> > -> -Dave -> > -> -> > -> -- -> > -> Dave McGuire -> > -> Laurel, MD -> > -> -> > -> ->

I'm sure that anything hand made to represent a flag is considered to be a flag but I think it's just people's ignorance and their desire to be in with the present fad. Hopefully most of these people will go back to their normal hide-in-the-house lifestyles watching hours of WWF and lose the thrill of being like everyone else. I think maybe we ought to drop this thread though as everyone is still reeling from the previous OT about the NYC/DC attack as it is and I'm sure that VAX's and PDP's are more of what we should be on for a while. -> -----Original Message----- -> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Chad Fernandez -> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 1:31 AM -> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> Subject: Re: FYI: Proper flag uses per Public Law 93-344 -> -> -> Russ, -> -> I am seeing flags all over the place now. I even saw a guy that had one -> draped over the hood of his beat up SUV... tucked into the hood sort of, -> I think. I don't doubt that he has nothing but the best intentions, but -> I realized right away, that his method of display wasn't correct. -> -> I see them taped to car windows, flying off of roll bars on Jeeps and -> trucks, etc. Do the laws/rules differentiate between a flag, and the -> likeness of a flag? Many that I see aren't really real flags, they may -> be extremely cheap versions, or maybe even hand drawn.... are they still -> considered flags? (I'm not suggesting any of the above displays are -> wrong, and I don't want to be a legalist on this issue, but I still -> would like to know more) -> -> I did read the page you posted, but I wonder if the actual legal -> language might go more in depth, and possibly you might know more, from -> your experience. -> -> Chad Fernandez -> Michigan, USA -> -> Russ Blakeman wrote: -> > -> > I posted it because it was the best done site I saw and the -> fact that all -> > sorts of dipsticks out my way (and likely everywhere else) has -> no idea that -> > you aren't supposed to drag it on the ground, light it at -> night, that there -> > are different sized flags for different uses, etc. I'm 45 and -> had all sorts -> > of civics in Chicago in the early 60's through my graduation -> in 1975 from -> > high school and went to carry it all on in my 20 in the AF. -> I've been part -> > of both the law enforcement team that did the base flag and -> honro guard at -> > funerals so I've had more exposure than the average person. I -> thought with -> > all these people that normally couldn't even identify a US flag from a -> > Navajo quilt that it might help these people without pointing them out. -> > Dave's just got a problem with gov't workers is all. ->

Again, we hould probably drop this thread in leiu of the on-topic ones but I must agree that the normal people that fly them already had them up before the popularity of flying them (right and wrong) came up. I have a regular in-concrete pole with a light and an all-weather flag but I usually take it down in bad weather and at night. Just a habit from school and 20 yrs in the AF I guess. Helped my neighbor put up a real pole this weekend, the concrete should be cured this evening and I'll be giving him some hints on how to fold it (in 3 and then angled to make a triangle) and how npt to put it up and drag the ground. -> -----Original Message----- -> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Kent Borg -> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 8:33 AM -> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> Subject: Re: FYI: Proper flag uses per Public Law 93-344 -> -> -> On Sun, Sep 23, 2001 at 04:48:41PM -0700, Eric J. Korpela wrote: -> > I went to a public school in Wisconsin. We were taught how to display -> > the flag in grade school (in the 70s). IMHO, anyone patriotic enough to -> > display the flag should be patriotic enough to take it down at -> night, to -> > keep it out of the rain, and to wrap it properly when it is -> disposed of. -> > It's not going to be a symbol that commands respect if US -> citizens don't -> > treat it with respect. Nobody here younger than 70 seems to -> be aware that -> > there are any guidelines at all. -> -> Thanks for posting that, and thanks for the pointer to the flag -> etiquette. Tattered flags plastered to wet flagpoles in the dark -> aggravate me. -> -> I'm well under 70, and I am feeling like I am not patriotic because I -> have only been flying our flag on days that I am assured will not -> rain, and when I remember to out it out before rushing off to work -> with no breakfast. I am thinking I should rig a light for it so that -> I would only have to worry about weather and can put it out after -> daylight savings time is over. -> -> Did I line up to buy this flag after the attack? No. Several years -> ago, after I bought my house, I saw the flag bracket bolted to the -> front porch and decided I should have a flag for it. I mostly don't -> fly it there but leave it in a stand indoors because I want to show -> proper respect. So it isn't even worn out. I didn't need to buy a -> new one out of sudden patriotism, I already had one that is in fine -> shape. -> -> I don't do this because of some law, I do it because it is a powerful -> symbol that is important to me. It is an important form of speech for -> me to so care for it. In fact, I do not think there should be a law -> dictating respect to our flag. Rather, people who care should show -> their respect because they care. I would far rather there be few -> flags flying, but flags that fly proudly and with respect and -> ceremony. Instead we have them everywhere and everyway as though -> quantity is somehow the point. -> -> A couple years ago I was at an event that included "proper" disposal -> of some flags. It was poorly done. Squirting some lighter fluid on a -> synthetic flag that then melted and went out, and then again for the -> next flag that did the same, each falling into the metal trash can. -> It did not seem very dignified--even if the guy doing it was a veteran -> with a funny hat and a cigarette lighter. The people who burn flags -> in protest have a far better understanding of the power of the symbol, -> and in a strange reversed way somehow seem to show it more respect -> than those who treat it with sloppy disregard. At least the -> protesters frequently manage to have the flag go out in a blaze and -> not a dim smudge of nasty smoke. -> -> -> -kb, the Kent who remembered to notice the weather prediction and put -> out his flag this morning, but the Kent who forgot to do so yesterday. ->