5 Jan
2003
5 Jan
'03
2:58 p.m.
All,
Slashdot *finally* ran something about the Reuters article at
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=technologyNews&storyID=19…
but they feel the need to slam the classiccmp site in the same breath :(!
Check it out at http://slashdot.org/articles/03/01/06/0040259.shtml?tid=137
Cheers,
Bryan
5 Jan
5 Jan
3:03 p.m.
This is SOP for Slashdot. If you think the news snippet is a slam, wait
until you read the feedback. You will not find a single positive,
constructive comment.
Jeff
On Sun, 2003-01-05 at 20:56, Bryan Pope wrote:
All,
Slashdot *finally* ran something about the Reuters article at
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=technologyNews&storyID=19…
but they feel the need to slam the classiccmp site in the same breath :(!
Check it out at http://slashdot.org/articles/03/01/06/0040259.shtml?tid=137
Cheers,
Bryan
4:10 p.m.
On Sun, 5 Jan 2003, Jeffrey H. Ingber wrote:
This is SOP for Slashdot. If you think the news
snippet is a slam, wait
until you read the feedback. You will not find a single positive,
constructive comment.
It seems to me this has more to do with the moderators than the posters. I
actually did find some positive and constructive comments, but I had to
dig for them.
I'd imagine that Slashdot in general is mostly going to be read by folks
with little or no interest in older technology (newer is *always* better
right??), so I'm not at all surprised by the overall feedback. It could
also be that some posters don't want to risk being embarrassed in public
by talking about their favorite old computer ;)
Yet another likely reason for the lack of supportive comments is that many
of the potential posters (and moderators) are not very familiar with the
systems that are frequently discussed on classiccmp. Heck, one poster
seems to think that magnetic core memory isn't going to function due to
its age.
-Toth
4:31 p.m.
Actually, SlashDot is populated by a humongous number of people, many whom
are intelligent, educated, and erudite. These, however, are not the typical
*posters*. SlashDot attracts an active troll population because of the
exposure. I typically read at +5, maybe dropping down to +4 if there aren't
many replys, or +3 if I have moderator points (which I rarely use).
Judging SlashDot purely by the posts is like judging all of humanity by the
Jerry Springer audience.
--jcwren
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From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]On
Behalf Of Tothwolf
Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 22:21
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: ./ does the Reuters article... :(
On Sun, 5 Jan 2003, Jeffrey H. Ingber wrote:
This is SOP for Slashdot. If you think the news
snippet is
a slam, wait
until you read the feedback. You will not find a
single positive,
constructive comment.
It seems to me this has more to do with the moderators than
the posters. I
actually did find some positive and constructive comments,
but I had to
dig for them.
I'd imagine that Slashdot in general is mostly going to be
read by folks
with little or no interest in older technology (newer is
*always* better
right??), so I'm not at all surprised by the overall
feedback. It could
also be that some posters don't want to risk being
embarrassed in public
by talking about their favorite old computer ;)
Yet another likely reason for the lack of supportive comments
is that many
of the potential posters (and moderators) are not very
familiar with the
systems that are frequently discussed on classiccmp. Heck, one poster
seems to think that magnetic core memory isn't going to
function due to
its age.
-Toth
10:36 p.m.
Actually, SlashDot is populated by a humongous number
of people,
many whom
are intelligent, educated, and erudite. These, however, are not the typical
*posters*. SlashDot attracts an active troll population because of the
exposure. I typically read at +5, maybe dropping down to +4 if there aren't
many replys, or +3 if I have moderator points (which I rarely use).
Judging SlashDot purely by the posts is like judging all of
humanity by the
Jerry Springer audience.
--jcwren
Excellent point, I look at the front page to find interesting articles. I
quit reading the posts ages ago, it just got to depressing. /. does a good
job of giving the impression that Linux people are a bunch of raving
lunatics.
I read the Reuter's article earlier today (well actually Sunday :^) What
really got me was the comment about the IBM PC having basically no value
from a collectors standpoint. I don't know who the
person was the wrote
the article, but I don't think they get it. There is
nothing at all
interesting about an IBM PC. If you've seen one, you've seen them all. It
doesn't really matter to me if it was made 20+ years ago, or today. Of
course from the standpoint of actually using it, I'd obviously prefer
something modern and not the 20+ year old one :^) Me, I like both
interesting hardware and interesting OS's, but I'm mainly in it for the
OS's.
Zane
--
| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator |
| healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast |
| | Classic Computer Collector |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, |
| PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. |
| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |
6 Jan
6 Jan
1:46 p.m.
You can blame me for the PC comment. I was speaking in relative terms. The
conversation at the time was centering on really valuable systems, and he
asked me about the PC. I said something like the typical IBM PC has little
collector value compared to, say, the Apple I. At the time, I thought it
wise not to get into the finer points of early-run PCs vs. later run models.
Sorry.
--Mike
Michael Nadeau
Editor/Publisher
Classic Tech, the Vintage Computing Resource
www.classictechpub.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 4:38 AM
Subject: RE: ./ does the Reuters article... :(
I read the Reuter's article earlier today (well
actually Sunday :^) What
really got me was the comment about the IBM PC having basically no value
from a collectors standpoint. I don't know who the person was the wrote
the article, but I don't think they get it. There is nothing at all
interesting about an IBM PC. If you've seen one, you've seen them all.
It
doesn't really matter to me if it was made 20+
years ago, or today. Of
course from the standpoint of actually using it, I'd obviously prefer
something modern and not the 20+ year old one :^) Me, I like both
interesting hardware and interesting OS's, but I'm mainly in it for the
OS's.
Zane
--
| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator |
| healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast |
| | Classic Computer Collector |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, |
| PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. |
| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |
2:29 a.m.
On Sunday, January 5, 2003, J.C.Wren wrote:
Judging SlashDot purely by the posts is like judging
all of humanity by
the Jerry Springer audience.
Well, at least it's helping membership. We're at 804 as of this morning.
That's 622 in cctalk and 182 in cctech, mind you.
And contrary to popular belief, cctech is **not** a truly separate list.
They get exactly the same posts that cctalk subscribers get, minus anything
that is off-topic.
--
Jeffrey Sharp
5 Jan
5 Jan
5:02 p.m.
New subject: Collecting prototypes (was: ./ does the Reuters article... :( )
Quothe Bryan Pope, from writings of Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 08:56:57PM -0500:
Slashdot *finally* ran something about the Reuters
article at
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=technologyNews&storyID=19…
but they feel the need to slam the classiccmp site in the same breath :(!
:-(
One thing that I saw in the /. messages mentioned prototypes. I never
thought of prototypes as being particularly valuable, like the
wire-wrapped prototype of the PERQ-3B 8MB memory board that I have.
It's probably not worth much, as few people know what a PERQ is;
however, I don't care what it is or isn't worth, as it's just
interesting and may have some possible future use, even if I have to
modify it (ok, I said the 'm' word, but shouldn't things be used
whenever possible?) to make it work with something that isn't a
PERQ-3B.
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6 Jan
6 Jan
1:24 p.m.
New subject: Collecting prototypes (was: ./ does the Reuters article... :( )
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6:56 a.m.
Yes, I noticed this and contacted the original poster on slashdot. We'll see
what his reply is.
Jay West
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Pope" <bpope(a)wordstock.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 7:56 PM
Subject: ./ does the Reuters article... :(
All,
Slashdot *finally* ran something about the Reuters article at
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=technologyNews&storyID=19…
but they feel the need to slam the classiccmp site in
the same breath :(!
Check it out at
http://slashdot.org/articles/03/01/06/0040259.shtml?tid=137
Cheers,
Bryan
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