And the sad part is that the idiots are everywhere, including a local instituition of higher learning. I have said it before, and probably even on this forum, that being a member of such an instituition in no way indicates any common sense whatsoever. The latest just proves that it applies to just plain smarts as well. One of my friends who works there (until recently) returned from vacation a few weeks back to find that much documentation had been pitched, including the documentation for the currently in use machines and operating systems. Last year, while he was on vacation, they managed to fill a dumpster with DEC hardware, VAXstations, DECstations, uVAX 2000's to name some. He had already made arrangements for he and I to haul it off and we were just waiting for some warmer weather. He managed to dive and save a few, but the students who did the actual tossing had 'popped' the monitors. It was just to dangerous to dive very deep. There is a good side to this story though. Last month he heard the rumor of the decision to pitch some more and moved on it quickly. We started hauling almost immediately. In addition to the 100 BrandX machines mentioned in another post yesterday, they also allowed us to take a few DEC & SUN machines. He has since then left for greener pastures, but we believe we now have them 'trained' to call us as they retire more DEC in the near future. Only time will tell. Mike