11 Jul
1997
11 Jul
'97
4:38 p.m.
At 02:03 PM 7/11/97 -0400, you wrote:
Depends on your definition of "videogame"
(coin-operated, home unit,
computer, commercial, etc.) One of these should fit what
you're looking for:
When I was in high school, there was a precursor to the Lynx/Gameboy/etc.
crowd that was a football game. There were little red LED's(?) to represent
players, and you had up, down, and run buttons to control the quarter back.
It was very simplistic; you basically just ran the quarterback until you got
a touchdown (but I think you could do a fieldgoal?) Anyway, I think Radio
Shack sold one, but it may have been someone else.
Anyone else remember this? Know what it was called? Got one you'd part with?
Thanks in advance!
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sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
11 Jul
11 Jul
12:57 p.m.
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 18:38:57 -0700 (PDT)
Reply-to: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn(a)crl.com>
To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers"
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Subject: Classic Video Games
At 02:03 PM 7/11/97 -0400, you wrote:
I did remember that! I found a way to crash it! There's a bug in
it. :))
Jason D.
Depends on your definition of
"videogame" (coin-operated, home unit,
computer, commercial, etc.) One of
these should fit what you're looking for:
When I was in high school, there was a precursor to the Lynx/Gameboy/etc.
crowd that was a football game. There were little red LED's(?) to represent
players, and you had up, down, and run buttons to control the quarter back.
It was very simplistic; you basically just ran the quarterback until you got
a touchdown (but I think you could do a fieldgoal?) Anyway, I think Radio
Shack sold one, but it may have been someone else.
Anyone else remember this? Know what it was called? Got one you'd part with?
Thanks in advance!
--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
4:48 p.m.
On Fri, 11 Jul 1997, Uncle Roger wrote:
At 02:03 PM 7/11/97 -0400, you wrote:
I think that was RS. I had one of those too. Got pretty boring pretty
quick, cause you could fake down, go up three times and spaz on the
forward button for a guaranteed first down every time. (or was it a
guaranteed TD? I can't remember.)
I wish I still had the thing, I think I eventually took it apart to 'see
how it worked.' ;-)
ttfn
srw
Depends on your definition of
"videogame" (coin-operated, home unit,
computer, commercial, etc.) One of
these should fit what you're looking for:
When I was in high school, there was a precursor to the Lynx/Gameboy/etc.
crowd that was a football game. There were little red LED's(?) to represent
players, and you had up, down, and run buttons to control the quarter back.
It was very simplistic; you basically just ran the quarterback until you got
a touchdown (but I think you could do a fieldgoal?) Anyway, I think Radio
Shack sold one, but it may have been someone else. 
5:24 p.m.
Uncle Roger, etc:
In regard to your post about the old hand held football game... I
certainly do remember that game. There were actually a couple of different
companies or stores that sold them. Radio Shack did have one, but I
believe it was the SAME one that was manufactured by Coleco, or a similar
company. I know up until a few years ago I had one... I'll have to look
around. Just the other day, I was in a thrift store in Nebraska City, NE
and they had a pile of 'old' handhelds. I didn't have time to look through
it close, though.... but I'm darn sure they did have a football game or
two though. I'll go back and check it out for you, though. Oh, while were
on the subject of old football games.... how about those darned magnetic
full-field table football games they used to make?? Do they still exist?
Until next time,
CORD
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On Fri, 11 Jul 1997, Uncle Roger wrote:
At 02:03 PM 7/11/97 -0400, you wrote:
Depends on your definition of
"videogame" (coin-operated, home unit,
computer, commercial, etc.) One of
these should fit what you're looking for:
When I was in high school, there was a precursor to the Lynx/Gameboy/etc.
crowd that was a football game. There were little red LED's(?) to represent
players, and you had up, down, and run buttons to control the quarter back.
It was very simplistic; you basically just ran the quarterback until you got
a touchdown (but I think you could do a fieldgoal?) Anyway, I think Radio
Shack sold one, but it may have been someone else.
Anyone else remember this? Know what it was called? Got one you'd part with?
Thanks in advance!
--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
1:34 p.m.
One comment,
Is the display looks like it was using same LED display, "hair thin"
segments under the plastic lens?
Jason D.
Uncle Roger, etc:
In regard to your post about the old hand held football game... I
certainly do remember that game. There were actually a couple of different
companies or stores that sold them. Radio Shack did have one, but I
believe it was the SAME one that was manufactured by Coleco, or a similar
company. I know up until a few years ago I had one... I'll have to look
around. Just the other day, I was in a thrift store in Nebraska City, NE
and they had a pile of 'old' handhelds. I didn't have time to look through
it close, though.... but I'm darn sure they did have a football game or
two though. I'll go back and check it out for you, though. Oh, while were
on the subject of old football games.... how about those darned magnetic
full-field table football games they used to make?? Do they still exist?
Until next time,
CORD
//*=====================================================================++
|| Cord G. Coslor P.O. Box 308 - 1300 3rd St. Apt "M1" -- Peru, NE ||
|| (402) 872- 3272 coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu 68421-0308 ||
|| Classic computer software and hardware collector ||
|| Autograph collector ||
++=====================================================================*//
On Fri, 11 Jul 1997, Uncle Roger wrote:
At 02:03 PM 7/11/97 -0400, you wrote:
Depends on your definition of
"videogame" (coin-operated, home unit,
computer, commercial, etc.) One of
these should fit what you're looking for:
When I was in high school, there was a precursor to the Lynx/Gameboy/etc.
crowd that was a football game. There were little red LED's(?) to represent
players, and you had up, down, and run buttons to control the quarter back.
It was very simplistic; you basically just ran the quarterback until you got
a touchdown (but I think you could do a fieldgoal?) Anyway, I think Radio
Shack sold one, but it may have been someone else.
Anyone else remember this? Know what it was called? Got one you'd part with?
Thanks in advance!
--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
12 Jul
12 Jul
5:23 a.m.
Several dozen different Football Handhelds were made. There's a good
Handheld page which includes a FAQ at http://www.best.com/~cdyer/
We had one of those vibrating football games, what a joke :)
I also vaguely remember in the early 70s a neighbor having some football
game where you made your plays and inserted some plastic disc into a unit
that would tell you how the play went like a sports announcer.
At 02:24 AM 7/12/97 +0000, you wrote:
In regard to your post about the old hand held football
game... I
certainly do remember that game. There were actually a couple of different
companies or stores that sold them. Radio Shack did have one, but I
believe it was the SAME one that was manufactured by Coleco, or a similar
company. I know up until a few years ago I had one... I'll have to look
around. Just the other day, I was in a thrift store in Nebraska City, NE
and they had a pile of 'old' handhelds. I didn't have time to look through
it close, though.... but I'm darn sure they did have a football game or
two though. I'll go back and check it out for you, though. Oh, while were
on the subject of old football games.... how about those darned magnetic
full-field table football games they used to make?? Do they still exist?
Until next time,
CORD
James
jscarter(a)worldnet.att.net
7:32 a.m.
New subject: HP 9836, HP 86 ??
I was just checking out a new store near me and saw an HP 9836.
Anyone know anything about this? It looked like a one piece setup
with a built-in monitor and 2 5 1/4" floppy drives and keyboard. It
was BIG. Can anyone tell me about it?
I also saw an HP 86 with lots of carts plugged into the rear and an
HP 9816 monitor and HP 9121 3 1/2" dual drive unit. I'm talking to
the guy about picking these up so if someone can give me some info on
them I'd appreciate it.
He had an Apple IIe with 2 Disk IIs, Apple Imagewriter printer and
Apple monitor with doc. I may grab that as well since I can never
have too many Apple IIs. :-)
Finally, I saw talk here recently about IBM external 5 1/4" floppy
drives. Someone said something about using one on an Amiga I think.
If this is possible please let me know as he has several.
There were stacks of monitors, including a HUGE Apollo monitor, wish
he had the system for it. This is at a local computer store and he
says they get stuff like this in all the time and generally just have
someone come in and haul it off to the dump or salvage the metal. Oh
boy, a new source! I'm going to go back and spend a little time in
their warehouse.
Thanks for any info.
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David Williams - Computer Packrat
dlw(a)neosoft.com
http://www.neosoft.com/~dlw
14 Jul
14 Jul
6:54 a.m.
New subject: Western Digital Host Adaptors
Guys:
I have a few WD-1000 host adaptors, and I need to get some
information about them. Western Dig. is of not much help-- their web
site dosen't carry docs from that far back.
I used to have a chart delineating what controller card was what, but
I've since lost it. There aren't PeeCee host adaptors; rather they
are the same footprint as a 5.25' floppy drive (actually, one is
bigger).
One is a WD-1000-05, one's a WD-1000-50, and a WD-1000-TB1. If
anyone has docs for these (or can tell me where to get them) I would
really appreciate it.
Thanks
Jeff
7:41 a.m.
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New subject: Western Digital Host Adaptors
I have a few
WD-1000 host adaptors, and I need to get some
information about them. Western Dig. is of not much help-- their web
site dosen't carry docs from that far back.
I used to have a chart delineating what controller card was what, but
I've since lost it. There aren't PeeCee host adaptors; rather they
are the same footprint as a 5.25' floppy drive (actually, one is
bigger).
I'm pretty sure that these aren't host adapters; I think they're
controllers in the traditional SCSI sense. (i.e. you sandwich
them between the SCSI bus and a MFM or ESDI drive.) One is a WD-1000-05, one's a WD-1000-50, and
a WD-1000-TB1. If
anyone has docs for these (or can tell me where to get them) I would
really appreciate it.
The Emulex SCSI controllers (adapting to MFM, SMD, or ESDI drives) are also known by the folks who hang out on the Sun newsgroups
(especially
comp.sys.sun.hardware). They might know something about other brands,
too.
Cool. I'll follow this lead, and see where it takes me.
Jeff
10:23 a.m.
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17 Jul
17 Jul
8:57 a.m.
New subject: Axe to Grind
Guys:
Thanks to everyone who submitted information on my *controller*
cards. I got pretty much everything I need to know on the -05 cards,
but the -TB1 is still a problem. WD implied over the phone that this
was custom made. OK. It is currently mounted in a Radio Shack
cabinet with a Tandon 15Mb drive. Any Ideas?
^^^^^^
I have a *MAJOR* axe to grind with these guys, dating from way back,
BTW.
Oh, really? Seeing as how the old Emulex was split up into little
tiny companies and the new Emulex is almost entirely in the network
business, I don't think you have anything to fear by telling your
story :-)
Tim.
OK, maybe it's not really *that* relevent to this forum, but I'll
relate the story anyway. In the early to mid 1980's, EMULEX
purchased Persyst, a manufacturer of PeeCee display adaptors.
Persyst (now EMULEX) made a pretty cool (for the time) 16-bit hi-rez
display adaptor for the PC-AT called the BoB-16. They named it that
because it represented the "Best of Both" the MDA and EGA adaptors in
use at the time (that, and it was 16-bit).
I bought one of these (cheaply, I'll admit) in 1988. I was gonna use
it with a Mitsubishi Multisynch monitor (Which was pretty cool in its
own right-- it could handle CGA, MDA, EGA, *and* composite video!).
I got the docs and the driver kit from EMULEX (they did that much).
So far so good.
But the Windoze driver was for ver. 1.00! Another call to Emulex,
and I was informed that "We don't make that board anymore, and we're
not going to support it under Windoze 2.0".
"Okay, that's cool, I understand how that goes. So, could you
please give me the source for the 1.0 driver, so I can modify it?"
"I'm sorry sir, but that's against company policy . . ."
After many weeks of wheedling, cajoling, begging, pleading, and
otherwise being a real pest, I gave up, swearing to Everything Holy
that I would NEVER under any conditions purchase anything from EMULEX
ever agin.
Of course were something like this happen today, I could broadcast
this on the Newsgroups or on a Web Page, and all of the bad press
would stomp the likes of EMULEX into submission.
End of Story. I still have the BoB-16 in a closet somewhere . . .
Jeff
One is a WD-1000-05, one's a WD-1000-50, and a
WD-1000-TB1. If
anyone has docs for these (or can tell me where to get them) I would
really appreciate it.
The Emulex SCSI controllers (adapting to MFM, SMD, or ESDI drives) are also 
12:11 a.m.
New subject: HP 9836, HP 86 ??
On Sat, 12 Jul 1997, David Williams wrote:
Finally, I saw talk here recently about IBM external 5
1/4" floppy
drives. Someone said something about using one on an Amiga I think.
If this is possible please let me know as he has several.
I guess that was me talking. I'm a bit of a special case, in that I have
this little device called "Amiga Disk Driver" that plugs into the Amiga's
external floppy port and wires up to a standard PC 3.5" floppy mechanism.
To use the external IBM 5.25" drive, all I should have to do is build an
adapter cable to the 37-pin connector on the IBM drive.
Without this "Amiga Disk Driver" thingamy one would have to perform the
(minor) magic performed in an external Amiga floppy drive some other way.
I'm afraid I can't help you there.
Doug Spence
ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca
12 Jul
12 Jul
6:57 p.m.
On Sat, 12 Jul 1997, James Carter wrote:
We had one of those vibrating football games, what a
joke :)
I also vaguely remember in the early 70s a neighbor having some football
game where you made your plays and inserted some plastic disc into a unit
that would tell you how the play went like a sports announcer.
I still have one of those vibrating football games. I always liked it,
even if it was not much like modern football (no passing).
ObClassicComputers: This is the first message sent to the list by
be from an almost classic Sun 3/60. While the 3/60 was introduced
in 87, this one was born on 21 June 1988.
--pec
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14 Jul
14 Jul
7:33 a.m.
At 03:57 AM 7/13/97 +0000, you wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 1997, James Carter wrote:
The one we had did have passing. A little foam football with a
spring-loaded quarterback. I lost interest playing it just three times,
after watching all the pieces vibrate everywhere except where you wanted
them to.
James
jscarter(a)worldnet.att.net
We had one of those vibrating football games,
what a joke :)
I still have one of those vibrating football games. I always liked it,
even if it was not much like modern football (no passing).
--pec 
12 Jul
12 Jul
12:03 a.m.
On Fri, 11 Jul 1997, Uncle Roger wrote:
At 02:03 PM 7/11/97 -0400, you wrote:
I remember that. It was cool. My brothers would never let me play it but
I finally got to and couldn't figure it out at first but when I did I
realized it was pretty fun. However, if you were fast enough with your
fingers, you could always score a TD on the easy mode. I believe it was
made by Coleco?
Sam
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Depends on your definition of
"videogame" (coin-operated, home unit,
computer, commercial, etc.) One of
these should fit what you're looking for:
When I was in high school, there was a precursor to the Lynx/Gameboy/etc.
crowd that was a football game. There were little red LED's(?) to represent
players, and you had up, down, and run buttons to control the quarter back.
It was very simplistic; you basically just ran the quarterback until you got
a touchdown (but I think you could do a fieldgoal?) Anyway, I think Radio
Shack sold one, but it may have been someone else.
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