8 Oct
1998
8 Oct
'98
10:34 a.m.
i third it
In a message dated 98-10-08 13:10:59 EDT, you write:
<< I second your opinion Sam.
Marty
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Subject: Re: What was the first Unix micro?
Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet
Date: 10/7/98 11:42 PM
On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Ward Donald Griffiths III wrote:
OK, I'm getting tired of the arguments about who
made the first
microprocessor. Fine. Maybe God did -- it's called DNA and as an
atheist I don't grant credit to anybody.
Oh, ok. God forbid we discuss computer history on this list, Ward. We'll
just go away now so you can fill up the list with your pointless one-line
replies.
Sam Alternate e-mail:
dastar(a)siconic.com
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8 Oct
8 Oct
10:56 a.m.
OK, if we can get one more, I think we'll have a lynch mob! Personally,
I'm considering giving up computer collecting and collecting Ward's
one-liners instead.
Trivia Q: On which date did Ward offer his first politically incorrect
one-liner to the list? (I don't know the answer, but I'll run back to the
archives to start my collection once I know.)
-- Doug
On Thu, 8 Oct 1998 SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com wrote:
i third it
In a message dated 98-10-08 13:10:59 EDT, you write:
<< I second your opinion Sam.
Marty
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Subject: Re: What was the first Unix micro?
Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet
Date: 10/7/98 11:42 PM
On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Ward Donald Griffiths III wrote:
OK, I'm getting tired of the arguments about
who made the first
microprocessor. Fine. Maybe God did -- it's called DNA and as an
atheist I don't grant credit to anybody.
Oh, ok. God forbid we discuss computer history on this list, Ward. We'll
just go away now so you can fill up the list with your pointless one-line
replies.
Sam Alternate e-mail:
dastar(a)siconic.com
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Ever onward.
Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0
See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details!
[Last web site update: 09/21/98]
>
10 Oct
10 Oct
12:47 a.m.
Doug Yowza wrote:
OK, if we can get one more, I think we'll have a lynch mob! Personally,
I'm considering giving up computer collecting and collecting Ward's
one-liners instead.
Trivia Q: On which date did Ward offer his first politically incorrect
one-liner to the list? (I don't know the answer, but I'll run back to the
archives to start my collection once I know.)
Well, what month did Bill Whitson start this mailing list? I've been
using "politically incorrect" quotes in my signature since long before
that, being extremely libertarian in my philosophy.
If you want a collection of my sigs in Linux fortune format, those I
have used, will use, thought were _too_ extreme (not many) or thought
of using, send me email -- I need an excuse to actually put these
things in order anyway.
Oh, the keywords being "mass-produced" as in the way Eli Whitney
invented for rifles and Henry Ford improved for automobiles, and
"mass-marketed" as in advertised to the public at large, the answer
IMAO (life is too short to have humble opinions) is the TRS-80
Model 16 with Xenix.
--
Ward Griffiths <mailto:gram@cnct.com> <http://www.cnct.com/home/gram/>
When I was crossing the border into Canada, they asked me if I had any
firearms with me. I said "Well, what do you need?" -- Steven Wright
7:46 p.m.
On Sat, 10 Oct 1998, Ward Donald Griffiths III wrote:
Oh, the keywords being "mass-produced" as in
the way Eli Whitney
invented for rifles and Henry Ford improved for automobiles, and
"mass-marketed" as in advertised to the public at large, the answer
IMAO (life is too short to have humble opinions) is the TRS-80
Model 16 with Xenix.
I guess mass-marketing in the 80's meant TV ads, so did Tandy advertise
this thing on TV? BTW, it was mentioned previously that the first micro
port of Unix (non-DEC) was to a Z8000 box. Here's a 1981 brochure for
Zilog's System 8000 running ZEUS:
http://www.ifeb.se/obs/zilog.html
-- Doug
11 Oct
11 Oct
6:46 a.m.
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8:55 a.m.
On Sun, 11 Oct 1998, Tony Duell wrote:
The reason I had the URL handy is because I spotted one this weekend.
This one has a bunch of spare cards in the empty cab of the bottom module,
including a CPU card with an AMD-made Z8000 on it. The spares were fairly
early vintage.
The plugged-in CPU card was a bit odd. It was 1986/1987 vintage and
appeared to have Z80000-series chips (yes, that has the right number of
zeros). I remember Zilog making a Z80000, but I don't know any details.
Was it Z8000-compatible? This particular machine is labeled as a Zilog
asset, so there's a chance it includes goodies that didn't make it into
the real world.
Sam is making room for it in his garage as we speak :-)
-- Doug
Zilog's
System 8000 running ZEUS:
http://www.ifeb.se/obs/zilog.html
Are those machines common on this list?
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On Sun, 11 Oct 1998, Tony Duell wrote:
Unfortunately not, but it was still worth the $100 I paid for it as its in
great shape and was complete. It has two SMD drives and a tape drive,
plus spare boards.
Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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> The plugged-in CPU card was a bit odd. It was
1986/1987 vintage and
> appeared to have Z80000-series chips (yes, that has the right number of
> zeros). I remember Zilog making a Z80000, but I don't know any details.
Well, I'm now the proud new owner of this forsaken beast, and having taken
a close look at the CPU card I see no Z80000 chip. Just a Z8001 and a
Z8010 and a bunch of other Z8xxx support chips. However, it is tagged
with a Zilog asset sticker and it will be interesting to find out what's
on the three tapes I got with it besides the Zeus operating system.
Was it
Z8000-compatible? This particular machine is labeled as a Zilog
asset, so there's a chance it includes goodies that didn't make it into
the real world.
I'd heard that the Z80,000 (Zilog always put the comma in) was either
never sold or only sold in prototype quantities. Sounds like you have
quite a find there...
12 Oct
12 Oct
8:44 a.m.
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11 Oct
11 Oct
6:54 p.m.
On 11 Oct 98 at 23:20, Tony Duell wrote:
A ha ha ha ha ha ha . Of course !
As they say in France,Tony you are truly "incroyable" (incredible)
I am never failed to be blown away by 3 people on this M-L.
Tony, Allison, and Jason Pero. We are indeed fortunate.
Not to downplay the immense knowledge of all things TRS 80 and
master of the politically incorrect cryptic comment Ward Griffiths.
Or the immense knowledge of mini's of Tim Shippa As well as the
general guruhood of a goodly number of the members.
The archives of this newsgroup could be the base of a Masters course on
computers. Thank you all.
ciao larry
The plugged-in
CPU card was a bit odd. It was 1986/1987 vintage and
appeared to have Z80000-series chips (yes, that has the right number of
zeros). I remember Zilog making a Z80000, but I don't know any details.
I think I have the Z80000 data sheets somewhere...
Ah yes, here we are, at least a Preliminary Product Specification
It appears to be a 32 bit CPU wit linear or segmented
addressing and
on-chip cache. One other thing is that the instruction set is an
binary-compatibile extension of the Z8000 instruction set. So probably
Zeus would run on it with few if any changes.
lwalker(a)interlog.com
Was it Z8000-compatible? This particular machine
is labeled as a Zilog
asset, so there's a chance it includes goodies that didn't make it into
the real world.
I'd heard that the Z80,000 (Zilog always put the comma in) was either
never sold or only sold in prototype quantities. Sounds like you have
quite a find there...
-tony
11:25 a.m.
Doug Yowza wrote:
On Sat, 10 Oct 1998, Ward Donald Griffiths III wrote:
No, I don't recall the machine being plugged on the tube. But it was
in the Radio Shack catalogs which were at the time available from more
outlets than were Big Macs (hamburgers, not computers).
I recall mention of the Zilog box in a couple of magazines. Never had
any idea where one could be purchased, and I tended to visit damned
near every retail computer outlet in the Los Angeles basin at least a
couple of times a year to see what was happening in the rest of the
world. (Admittedly, I didn't bother with Sears, but I knew everything
they had there from other sources).
--
Ward Griffiths <mailto:gram@cnct.com> <http://www.cnct.com/home/gram/>
When I was crossing the border into Canada, they asked me if I had any
firearms with me. I said "Well, what do you need?" -- Steven Wright
Oh, the keywords being "mass-produced"
as in the way Eli Whitney
invented for rifles and Henry Ford improved for automobiles, and
"mass-marketed" as in advertised to the public at large, the answer
IMAO (life is too short to have humble opinions) is the TRS-80
Model 16 with Xenix.
I guess mass-marketing in the 80's meant TV ads, so did Tandy advertise
this thing on TV? BTW, it was mentioned previously that the first micro
port of Unix (non-DEC) was to a Z8000 box. Here's a 1981 brochure for
Zilog's System 8000 running ZEUS:
http://www.ifeb.se/obs/zilog.html
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