7 Sep
2003
7 Sep
'03
8:54 p.m.
A considerable amount of Googling, et al., has turned up no
readily-available info, so I apply here:
I have a Covalent Systems model 1410 terminal, which I bought at
Weirdstuff last VCF, because cosmetically it *looks* like a VT100...
anyway it was cheap and it works, but it appears not to emulate any known
DEC CRT in it's present configuration, and the two sets of dipswitches
on the back are cleverly un-marked. (Why do 'engineers' DO this shit???
Are they ashamed of their work? DO they hate techs??)
Anyway, if anyone has any Covalent terminal info, or can point me to
same, I'd be Much Obliged.
The Collateral good news is that my 11/44 system has survived the move
and garage temps over 110F and booted up this afternoon (now that it's
cooling off a bit in northwestern Nevada) with no problems at all. I've
spent the last few hours poking around on it and trying to remember how to
drive RSX11 without having to drag a bunch of manuals out.
I was using the Covalent for the system console, and a VT220 for the
user term. I have a Decwriter on the way to use for the Console - and, I
can now have my dream come true: the Machine will live in the Garage, and
the terminals will be in my office - where it's Quiet.
Cheers
John
4:16 a.m.
New subject: Apple I replicas to be available
http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,60329,00.html - Story
http://www.vintagecomputer.tk/ - Replica site
--John
6:56 a.m.
New subject: Apple I replicas to be available
He needs to find a web hosting site that works if he expects to sell
any! I tried over and over to look at his site and the only thing that
worked was the pop-up ads!
Joe (an X-potential customer)
At 09:07 AM 9/8/03 -0400, you wrote:
http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,60329,00.html -
Story
http://www.vintagecomputer.tk/ - Replica site
--John
2:42 p.m.
New subject: Apple I replicas to be available
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Joe wrote:
He needs to find a web hosting site that works if he
expects to sell
any! I tried over and over to look at his site and the only thing that
worked was the pop-up ads!
I wonder if he will offer kits? I talked to Woz awhile back, and also got
his blessing on making replicas. The only problem was that I did not have
access to an Apple I to copy it's PC board. I'd wanted (and still would
like to) create an exact reproduction of an Apple I.
-Toth
2:59 p.m.
New subject: Apple I replicas to be available
"Tothwolf" <tothwolf(a)concentric.net> wrote:
I wonder if he will offer kits? I talked to Woz awhile
back, and also got
his blessing on making replicas. The only problem was that I did not have
access to an Apple I to copy it's PC board. I'd wanted (and still would
like to) create an exact reproduction of an Apple I.
The PCB layout is copyrighted by Apple Computer. You'd need their
permission as well, unless Apple has given the Apple 1 rights back
to Woz.
3:40 p.m.
New subject: Apple I replicas to be available
Are you sure about this? From the Q&A:
Q: Isn?t the Woz Monitor the property of Apple?
A: More than likely yes. But Woz was contacted about this and gave his ok. He
stated that he handed it out along with his schematics long before there was
an Apple computer company. Apple also turned all hardware and software
matters over to the Apple 1 club and this project started and is still under
the club.
Wouldn't the "hardware and software matters" cover the PCB?
--John
On Monday 08 September 2003 19:51 pm, Eric Smith wrote:
"Tothwolf" <tothwolf(a)concentric.net>
wrote:
I wonder if he will offer kits? I talked to Woz
awhile back, and also got
his blessing on making replicas. The only problem was that I did not have
access to an Apple I to copy it's PC board. I'd wanted (and still would
like to) create an exact reproduction of an Apple I.
The PCB layout is copyrighted by Apple Computer. You'd need their
permission as well, unless Apple has given the Apple 1 rights back
to Woz. 
4:23 p.m.
New subject: Apple I replicas to be available
Q: Isn't the Woz Monitor the property of Apple?
A: More than likely yes. But Woz was contacted about this and gave his
ok. He
stated that he handed it out along with his schematics long before there was
an Apple computer company. Apple also turned all hardware and software
matters over to the Apple 1 club and this project started and is still under
the club.
Wouldn't the "hardware and software matters" cover the PCB?
Here is the actual letter: <http://www.applefritter.com/apple1/letters/
apple/apple_to_owners.html>. It reads:
Dear Apple I Owner
Good news. Joe Torzewski is starting an Apple I Owners Club.
Since the Apple II has been introduced, interest in Apple I
software has declined and we have been making tapes available
on special order basis only. This has made support costly
and difficult.
Joe's Apple I Club will now provide a means of expanding
your software bank and also in communicating with other Apple
I owners. We will be supporting Apple I software through the
club. He will be handling both hardware and software
applications.
Please feel free to contact him at:
Apple I Owners Club
51525 Chestnut Road
Granger, IN 46530
Applefritter
www.applefritter.com
4:25 p.m.
New subject: Apple I replicas to be available
Are you sure about this? From the Q&A:
Q: Isn???t the Woz Monitor the property of Apple?
A: More than likely yes. But Woz was contacted about this and gave his
ok. He
stated that he handed it out along with his schematics long before there
was
an Apple computer company. Apple also turned all hardware and software
matters over to the Apple 1 club and this project started and is still
under
the club.
I'm skeptical. Even though the design predated the formation of the
corporation, the ownership was likely transferred from the company
(a partnership) to the corporation when the latter was formed.
There's probably no way to get a guaranteed correct answer on this.
If you were to ask Apple's legal department, they would probably claim
they own it without doing any research. If anyone (even Woz) tells
you that Apple doesn't own it, there's no way to be sure that they are
correct (unless they have a signed release from Apple), and more
importantly, there's no way to be sure you won't get sued over it.
Wouldn't the "hardware and software
matters" cover the PCB?
Not necessarily. They weren't licensing the club to manufacture the
computers.
IANAL, this is just my opinion. It's not a can of worms that I'd
want to open.
7:32 p.m.
New subject: Apple I replicas to be available
I wonder if he will offer kits? I talked to Woz awhile
back, and also
got
his blessing on making replicas. The only problem was that I did not
have
access to an Apple I to copy it's PC board. I'd wanted (and still would
like to) create an exact reproduction of an Apple I.
Didt'n the Apple I have shiftregisters as displaymemory ?
They surely are unobtainable by know.
If not, a Kenbak replica would be my choice to be replicated.
Jos Dreesen
9 Sep
9 Sep
10:44 a.m.
New subject: Apple I replicas to be available (real Apple1 for sale)
If you want a real Apple 1 I found this one for sale.
I think he discounted the price to $20K. If you don't have $20-$30K I
think the replicas are a good deal.
-Chandra
(A) Apple 1 computer in case.
(B) Five (5) original manuals, a complete set, as of this time I
know of no one else that has a complete set of manuals.
(C) Three (3) original Apple 1 cassette tapes from Apple Computer
Co.
(D) The SWTPC PR-40 printer. This printer itself is an antique and
hard to find. It is unique to the Apple 1 computer because of an article
in InterFace Age magazine, Oct 1976 by Steven Jobs.
(E) The InterFace Age magazine, dated Oct 1976.
(F) The Nuts & Volts magazine, July 2002 issue. Has an article and
pictures on the Apple 1 computer.
(G) A+, an Apple magazine, dated Jan 1987. The 10 year anniversary
of the Apple II but has pictures of the Apple 1. Done with Steve
Wozniak.
(H) The Brief Case, pictures on web site.
(I) Last but not least, the postcard that was signed by Steve
Wozniak, a prized possession.
The cost of the Apple 1 system is thirty thousand ($30,000) US
dollars. You must be able to pick up the system or arrange to have it
picked up. Other conditions apply but will discuss with the buyer before
agreeing on a deal for the Apple 1 system. I reserve the right to refuse
any offer. If more that one party is interested, highest offer will get
the Apple 1 system provided all conditions are meet.
http://torzewski.tripod.com/apple1computer/id11.html
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Tothwolf
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 7:53 PM
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Apple I replicas to be available
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Joe wrote:
He needs to find a web hosting site that works if he
expects to sell
any! I tried over and over to look at his site and the only thing that
worked was the pop-up ads!
I wonder if he will offer kits? I talked to Woz awhile back, and also
got
his blessing on making replicas. The only problem was that I did not
have
access to an Apple I to copy it's PC board. I'd wanted (and still would
like to) create an exact reproduction of an Apple I.
-Toth
10:42 a.m.
New subject: Apple I replicas to be available
My guess is that the site has been slashdotted....
Googles popup stopper works great....
George Rachor
=========================================================
George L. Rachor Jr. george(a)rachors.com
Hillsboro, Oregon http://rachors.com
United States of America Amateur Radio : KD7DCX
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Joe wrote:
He needs to find a web hosting site that works if
he expects to sell
any! I tried over and over to look at his site and the only thing that
worked was the pop-up ads!
Joe (an X-potential customer)
At 09:07 AM 9/8/03 -0400, you wrote:
>http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,60329,00.html - Story
>http://www.vintagecomputer.tk/ - Replica site
>
>--John
8 Sep
8 Sep
9:14 a.m.
New subject: Apple I replicas to be available
Apparently the site has gotten slashdotted and has melted down...
On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 08:07, J.C. Wren wrote:
http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,60329,00.html -
Story
http://www.vintagecomputer.tk/ - Replica site
--John
2:45 p.m.
New subject: Apple I replicas to be available
It loads for me.
At 01:03 PM 9/8/03 -0500, you wrote:
Apparently the site has gotten slashdotted and has
melted down...
On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 08:07, J.C. Wren wrote:
> http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,60329,00.html - Story
> http://www.vintagecomputer.tk/ - Replica site
>
> --John
7:06 a.m.
John Lawson wrote:
I have a Covalent Systems model 1410 terminal, which
I bought at
Weirdstuff last VCF, because cosmetically it *looks* like a VT100...
anyway it was cheap and it works, but it appears not to emulate any known
DEC CRT in it's present configuration, and the two sets of dipswitches
on the back are cleverly un-marked.
If there are ten switches in each pack, on different sides of the RS232
connectors at the back, then this might be a re-badged TeleVideo 950. If
you're looking at the back of the terminal, the righthand dipswitches
control comms parameters, and the left set control things like key click
and local editing.
For a quick test, see if switch six (counting from the left) on the
lefthand switch pack controls reverse video.
- Paul
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