On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Sellam Ismail wrote: Has anybody heard from Ehrlacher?

ROTFL. A good solid belly-laugh that made my day. Still extracting a few giggles. Lawrence lgwalker(a)mts.net bigwalk_ca(a)yahoo.com

Hans, I'm curious enough to take a look at it if I see it on the bookstore shelves, but I'd want to see it before making the commitment. If the valuation data is based solely or primarily on eBay data and/or hobbyist opinion, then it would be failing to acknowledge a serious segment of the market, ie the commercial market in "out of production", "end of life" computer components. If that sector's data is not represented, then I would feel the data to be "skewed." Still, probably many good pictures for identification purposes, and good technical data? That is correct. Therefore I have no knowledge of it's content. Only questions. At 05:37 PM 11/7/02 +0100, you wrote:

On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Mail List wrote: That sounds like a comment from somebody who didn't get interviewed.... Doc

Now Jeffrey, With you having an email address of ... sales(a)subatomix.com ... ( which has a pretty commercial ring to it ) That you use for your eBay sales under the ID ... xor-ax-ax Parting out systems ( you pick up at surplus? ), and selling the parts on eBay ( for as much as you can get for them?) ( as evidenced by no low "Buy-It-Now" prices? ) http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&u… Incidently, I see that your parts on eBay aren't selling too well currently/recently, but I had seen that you have had some pretty good sales in the past. Which incidently was EXACTLY the same thing THAT I WAS DOING. And I did sell a part for $1 one time. Do you feel that was exhorbitantly high? I never found fault with you. Or passed judgement on you. How is it you feel you have a right to pass judgement on me? That time I talked to you on the phone, you wanted MORE for your CMD ( disk only ) controller than I ever could have gotten for one. Did you offer that part to the list first, FREE ( or very nearly so ) to good home? As a matter of fact, there have been times that I was wanting LESS for some of my parts than I've seen them sell for on eBay. ( Though it was only a couple of times. ) No, I was concerned that the data sources might be incomplete and fail to "conveniently" acknowledge the commercial market sector. You know, that portion of the economy that is encumbered with real expenses ( like marketing expenses, payroll, taxes, etc. ) and that provides jobs ( for those that still have one ) and therefore has to charge prices for their goods and services which allows them to meet those expenses and remain in operation. Don't lament when you're out of work, when you have previously condemned that sector that provided you your jobs. Don't lament when you see the value of your retirement accounts decline in value when you condemn those companies that your very same account is invested in, decline in value, as you complain about their prices ( no competent fund manager invests funds in the average eBay seller ). This thing called the economy is something we are all in together. Soil that where you eat, and you may find the food no longer edible. I only ever picked up one system. I traded that system to a hobbyist up in Maryland for only a few parts that he didn't need. No cash whatsoever. I also drove it halfway up there to him, with me covering the expenses of doing so. He drove down and we met halfway. I also gave him, no charge, a couple of extra parts I already had, that he seemed to have a use for. I did end up selling a couple of those parts which he traded for and recovered what costs I had into it. But it was only fair compensation for the work I had into it. I can't help but feeling you would have done the same, with you being an eBay seller and all that. I know I saw you said that you were a poor student. How do you know that my situation was not similar. Are you the kind of person that would like to be paid as well as you possibly can, yet condemn others for desiring the same? You know, I used to believe that if everybody worked together, everybody could see some benefit from that cooperative relationship, whether that be parts you have a use for, or cash to buy parts you want, etc. There have been times that I could have run something by you that would have helped you out, but previous contact seemed to indicate that you were all about yourself only. I have since given up. My impression was that you can't stand to see anyone else realize any benefit from their contribution. You want it all for yourself. So you have closed off those opportunities. Remember that biblical quote ... Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.? I'm definitely can tell you ... I have a personal pet peeve with people that have double standards. I do not like to pay people in any professional manner that previous experience with them shows they would not reciprocate equivocally. You set the stage. YMMV. Mail List <mail.list(a)analog-and-digital-solutions.com> At 08:00 PM 11/7/02 -0600, you wrote:

Sellam, I also had a good laugh yesterday. But maybe for a different reason. Your "dick" message was received two messages after your message about acting like a reasonable, mature adult. I thought that was REALLY funny. Does this maturity also include include west coast ham fests where you may have been making a nuisance of yourself "pushing" vcf? Or when you try to launch an interruption of service attack on the email server of another list member? Or when you were so proud of yourself for your fax machine attack over a simple fax? Didn't know I knew about all that, huh? You know, I think given an entire lifetime, you will NEVER mature to the same level as Tony. Sellam, you're deluded. I don't want it. The DEC market is virtually dead. They wouldn't be dumping this stuff like that if that wasn't the case. But help yourself. Best Regards, Mail List <mail.list(a)analog-and-digital-solutions.com> P.S. And you know, I really would have given you my support in your endeavors, if you would have exhibited a more "live and let live" attitude. But I have not felt it necessary to lower myself to your immature level of name calling and profanity. At 08:45 AM 11/8/02 -0800, you wrote:

I apologize for failing to adequately trim the message that I appended mine to. The juxtaposition made an implication about Dick that should instead have been the option of each person to draw their own conclusion. It should be a cause for concern that after ubiquitously voicing unpopular opinions about every issue (such as that MICROS~1 products did "not have security holes"), that he would spam all with a virus and disappear without a trace. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Marvin Johnston wrote:

On Friday, November 8, 2002, Marvin Johnston wrote: Well, the cctech subscribers certainly aren't seeing any of this. But consider it a public service announcement, yet another warning about Mr. List's activities. -- Jeffrey Sharp

No I think you're wrong here Sellam. He's more like genital lice. A parasite. What is more interesting is that he had the audacity to try and discredit the value of Michaels book on a list of classic computer enthusiasts. Michaels contributions to the computer community go back to the days of Micro 80 and his newsletter is a valued resource. As is obvious this creep's main concern is making a buck off recent interest in older computers despite all the appeals to the higher virtues of his contribution to blah, blah, blah. The usual tactic of a charlatan. A while back an interesting poster to the list, a scrap dealer who could have offerred us insight into the workings of that world was harassed off the list. I viewed that as unfortunate but slime like this who selfservingly slag an info- source valueable cause it might undermine their preying on unknowledgeable collectors is beyond redemption. Lawrence lgwalker(a)mts.net bigwalk_ca(a)yahoo.com

On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Mail List wrote: <Quote frojm Jeffery Sharp> <End quote> OK. At this point, I gotta holler "Bullshit." This whole little world has heard my side of the story, and even if nobody else cares, I'm really curious to hear your account of several emails and phone calls from you to Mark Rodriguez of MDR Consulting this past February. They concerned a PDP-11/93 that I had asked about on the list. My post to the list - which I have archived if your memory fails you - clearly indicates that while I was excited about the system, I had no idea that it was valuable. Your emails to Mark - which I can produce as well - partially quoted my post, but in such a way that it appeared that I knew the machine's value and intended to cheat my employer. Your phone calls, according to Mr. Rodriguez, furthered that impression. In both the email messages and the phone calls you offered to deal directly with Mark, cutting me out of the picture. What's *your* story, Mr. List? 'Splain this one for me. Doc Shipley MDR Consulting, Inc. Austin, Texas