24 Sep
2019
24 Sep
'19
3:38 p.m.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/174036836066
Cindy Croxton
Electronics Plus
1613 Water Street
Kerrville, TX 78028
830-370-3239 cell
sales at elecplus.com
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24 Sep
10:56 p.m.
At 05:38 PM 24/09/2019 -0500, Cindy wrote:
Sigh. A whole lot of HP 3497A data acquisition plugins (in the back there, with the pull
rings):
https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/ZrUAAOSwI5Fdg5KH/$_57.jpg
Not sure which cards. Maybe optically isolated A/D or D/A?
I have a 3497A. Oh well.
This is going to be as frustrating as that other guy selling a huge box of HP cards for
gold, for $600.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/60-lbs-vintage-1970s-HP-interface-boards-gold-yell…
Huh, didn't sell yet, what a surprise. And he's dropped the price a whole $50.
Must have agonized over that.
Guy
11:29 p.m.
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From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Guy Dunphy
via cctalk
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2019 1:57 AM
To: Electronics Plus; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: HP vintage boards being sold as scrap
...
This is going to be as frustrating as that other guy selling a huge box of
HP cards for gold, for $600.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/60-lbs-vintage-1970s-HP-interface-boards-gold-yello
w-fingers-for-scrap-recovery/383039137321
Huh, didn't sell yet, what a surprise. And he's dropped the price a whole
$50. Must have agonized over that.
Guy
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I contacted the seller and was able to work out a very reasonable deal to
purchase a selected subset for my future needs.
You, or others, might consider doing the same if you have a specific
interest. (Rather than a general gripe :-}.)
paul
25 Sep
25 Sep
3:07 a.m.
At 02:29 AM 25/09/2019 -0400, you wrote:
I contacted the seller and was able to work out a very
reasonable deal to
purchase a selected subset for my future needs.
Oh, is that why the price dropped $50? Because some of the boards sold?
So really the seller still has the same inflated idea of their worth (for gold.)
How sensibly were they padded for shipping? It had seemed like the seller refused
to treat them carefully.
You, or others, might consider doing the same if you
have a specific
interest. (Rather than a general gripe :-}.)
This time I'm not griping about the seller's attitude. It's even a reasonable
price,
hence there's a bid already. Though the "will be bulk packed" means buying
them would
involve a discussion about packing care.
Incidentally I've identified those boards. The ones with the pull rings:
https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/ZrUAAOSwI5Fdg5KH/$_57.jpg
They are 12/13 bit isolated DtoA, either voltage or current out. 44429A or 44430A.
And I _would_ make an offer for just them, except someone put a bid on the lot within
ten minutes of it listing. So now he can't split the lot. (But I've asked if he
would anyway.)
Does anyone else recognise some of the other boards?
Guy
4:30 a.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: Guy Dunphy [mailto:guykd at optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2019 6:07 AM
To: Paul Birkel; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: RE: HP vintage boards being sold as scrap
At 02:29 AM 25/09/2019 -0400, you wrote:
I contacted the seller and was able to work out a very
reasonable deal to
purchase a selected subset for my future needs.
...
How sensibly were they padded for shipping? It had seemed like the seller
refused
to treat them carefully.
----
Mine were packed sensibly. He knew that I intended to put them into service.
I've had sellers do pretty silly things to even single PCBs despite my
asking otherwise.
No problems in this case. So I'm a satisfied customer.
paul
noon
On 2019-Sep-25, at 3:07 AM, Guy Dunphy via cctalk wrote:
Does anyone else recognise some of the other boards?
There is a stack of IO interface boards, including HSTs, for the HP 2100/1000 series
there.
Lower-right stack in this pic, 7 boards, boards have one red and one grey handle:
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/n08AAOSwjY5dg5Kd/s-l1600.jpg
"HS Terminal" is discernible on one of them, and the one on top looks to be an
HS Terminal as well.
Can't be certain about the others but they have the same size IO connector, they may
all be HSTs.
HSTs are the basic RS232 & current loop, async serial-line interface boards, 12531D,
used for the console and such in the 2100/1000 series,
going back to the early machines of the series.
(HS is 'High-Speed', but that's relative to the late-60s, billed for up to
2400bps, but it is possible to operate them at higher speeds).
I'd buy one for, say 60$, if someone picks up the bunch and wants to flog one.
2:25 p.m.
At 02:59 PM 25/09/2019 -0500, John wrote:
What, isn't anyone going to speculate on the value
of the gold here? :-)
The seller would seem to have been pulling rare boards from many old machines,
probably scrapping the systems (since they would have been more saleable with
the boards installed) then trying to sell the boards in bulk as scrap metal.
If that's the case, I'd rather speculate on how many blows to the head with
a blunt object, it would take to teach that person the error of their ways.
26 Sep
26 Sep
7:24 a.m.
On Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 17:26 Guy Dunphy via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org wrote:
At 02:59 PM 25/09/2019 -0500, John wrote:
1. I've got boxes of boards that are useful, which came out of undesirable
systems, incomplete or otherwise broken systems, boards that were purchased
as spares, etc.
2. The systems are harder to ship than the boards. I doubt if you're
unwilling to have a pile of boards shipped to you, that you'd pay shipping
on a whole system.
3. Just because you have different opinions doesn't mean their ways are
wrong. Hell, they even seem to be willing to work with people interested in
single boards. I'm sure they're putting "GOLD!!!" in the title for
advertising's sake. It seems to have worked just fine for advertising here
..
4. Maybe just quit whining? If you can't get what you want where you are,
to quote the immortal words of Dave McGuire, "Time to move!"
Pat
What, isn't anyone going to speculate on the
value of the gold here? :-)
The seller would seem to have been pulling rare boards from many old
machines,
probably scrapping the systems (since they would have been more saleable
with
the boards installed) then trying to sell the boards in bulk as scrap
metal.
If that's the case, I'd rather speculate on how many blows to the head with
a blunt object, it would take to teach that person the error of their ways.
27 Sep
27 Sep
5:42 p.m.
On Sep 26, 2019, at 7:24 AM, Patrick Finnegan via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
3. Just because you have different opinions doesn't mean their ways are
wrong. Hell, they even seem to be willing to work with people interested in
single boards. I'm sure they're putting "GOLD!!!" in the title for
advertising's sake. It seems to have worked just fine for advertising here
..
4. Maybe just quit whining? If you can't get what you want where you are,
to quote the immortal words of Dave McGuire, "Time to move!?
Destroying something that?s useful in the name of a quick buck is wrong.
-- Chris
7:43 p.m.
At 05:42 PM 27/09/2019 -0700, you wrote:
On Sep 26, 2019, at 7:24 AM, Patrick Finnegan via
cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Thanks Cris. This is my view too, but I didn't want to get into _another_ argument
about that.
I've been browsing that seller's other listings. I can see where they are coming
from.
They are a very high volume surplus electronics seller. Quite a bit overpriced on many
items
but there are some nice deals. I think they just don't have time to give much
attention to
individual items. Which is unfortunate for interested parties. Like in this "90 lbs
PCBs" instance.
Here are some other vintage computing items of interest from that seller:
183963257634 Lot x22 NEW Vintage HP 46021A HP-HIL Terminal Keyboards Don't Include
HIL Cables
OH MY GOSH! It took me forever just to find one HP-HIL keyboard recently.
But offering these vintage NOS keyboards as a lot of 22... that's a
bit sad.
Seller must be short of storage space.
174036823643 Lot x50 Vintage HP 82936A 80 Series 85A 85B 86A 86B ROM Drawer Holder No
ROMs
183875053275 Vintage HP 12005-60010 Asynchronous Serial Interface Board 1000 Series
Computer
Back to the stack of circuit boards:
The original bidder's offer is something higher than $150, so Cindy's bid got
auto-bid beaten.
Looking at that original bidder's ebay buying history, they're apparently a scrap
gold buyer.
At their activity rate, they've probably built up their rating of 394 fairly quickly.
They don't snipe bid, and they do engage in bidding competitions.
Ergo, that bidder is an idiot (or has money to burn), and also may still have an
unrealistic
expectation of the overall economics of gold recovery.
Probably best to give up. Also since we've expressed interest to the seller, and piled
on
eleven watchers, the chances of the seller now fake bidding the price up are significant.
Guy
3. Just because you have different opinions doesn't mean their ways are
wrong. Hell, they even seem to be willing to work with people interested in
single boards. I'm sure they're putting "GOLD!!!" in the title for
advertising's sake. It seems to have worked just fine for advertising here
..
4. Maybe just quit whining? If you can't get what you want where you are,
to quote the immortal words of Dave McGuire, "Time to move!???
Destroying something that???s useful in the name of a quick buck is wrong.
-- Chris 
28 Sep
28 Sep
1:29 p.m.
Destroying something that?s useful in the name of a quick buck is wrong.
-- Chris
It probably would have ended up at a board recycler or in a dumpster
instead of on eBay where you have a chance of acquiring it.
If you're not happy with the "quick buck" the scrappers are getting, just
offer more money than they're getting in scrap value.
Pat
2 p.m.
At 12:00 PM 25/09/2019 -0700, you wrote:
On 2019-Sep-25, at 3:07 AM, Guy Dunphy via cctalk
wrote:
Sigh. And here I am putting together a rack with a HP 1000 system.
Though, some of those edge connectors look corroded.
I really would like those DtoA boards. So many! I have both a 3497A and the 3498A
extender
plus a need for lots of cards for them. Plus I have the service manual with schematics
so can repair them.
Anyway... the seller is listed as being in Warren, Rhode Island, United States.
I'm in Australia, and have a reshipper in the US. BUT, the reshipper is on the west
coast.
Is there anyone on this list who lives in that area who could pick them up, then pack and
post
small sets of boards? I can afford to bid (fingers crossed), but _can't_ afford the
postage
of "90 lbs" across the continent. Let alone to Australia.
The one existing bid, is that anyone here?
Guy
Does anyone else recognise some of the other
boards?
There is a stack of IO interface boards, including HSTs, for the HP 2100/1000 series
there.
Lower-right stack in this pic, 7 boards, boards have one red and one grey handle:
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/n08AAOSwjY5dg5Kd/s-l1600.jpg
"HS Terminal" is discernible on one of them, and the one on top looks to be an
HS Terminal as well.
Can't be certain about the others but they have the same size IO connector, they may
all be HSTs.
HSTs are the basic RS232 & current loop, async serial-line interface boards, 12531D,
used for the console and such in the 2100/1000 series,
going back to the early machines of the series.
(HS is 'High-Speed', but that's relative to the late-60s, billed for up to
2400bps, but it is possible to operate them at higher speeds).
I'd buy one for, say 60$, if someone picks up the bunch and wants to flog one.
2:46 p.m.
If enough people want them, and someone gets a winning bid, then they can
come to me and I will repackage and ship them for the actual cost of
postage.
Cindy
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Guy Dunphy
via cctalk
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2019 4:01 PM
To: Brent Hilpert; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: HP vintage boards being sold as scrap
At 12:00 PM 25/09/2019 -0700, you wrote:
On 2019-Sep-25, at 3:07 AM, Guy Dunphy via cctalk
wrote:
2100/1000 series
there.
Does anyone else recognise some of the other
boards?
There is a stack of IO interface boards, including HSTs, for the HP
Lower-right stack in this pic, 7 boards, boards have one red and one grey
handle:
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/n08AAOSwjY5dg5Kd/s-l1600.jpg
"HS Terminal" is discernible on one of them, and the one on top looks to be
an HS Terminal as well.
Can't be certain about the others but they have the
same size IO connector,
they may all be HSTs.
HSTs are the basic RS232 & current loop, async serial-line interface
boards,
12531D, used for the console and such in the 2100/1000 series,
going back to the early machines of the series.
(HS is 'High-Speed', but that's relative to the late-60s, billed for up to
2400bps, but it is possible to operate them at higher speeds).
I'd buy one for, say 60$, if someone picks up the bunch and wants to flog
one.
Sigh. And here I am putting together a rack with a HP 1000 system.
Though, some of those edge connectors look corroded.
I really would like those DtoA boards. So many! I have both a 3497A and the
3498A extender
plus a need for lots of cards for them. Plus I have the service manual with
schematics
so can repair them.
Anyway... the seller is listed as being in Warren, Rhode Island, United
States.
I'm in Australia, and have a reshipper in the US. BUT, the reshipper is on
the west coast.
Is there anyone on this list who lives in that area who could pick them up,
then pack and post
small sets of boards? I can afford to bid (fingers crossed), but _can't_
afford the postage
of "90 lbs" across the continent. Let alone to Australia.
The one existing bid, is that anyone here?
Guy
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26 Sep
3:39 p.m.
On 9/25/2019 2:00 PM, Brent Hilpert via cctalk wrote:
On 2019-Sep-25, at 3:07 AM, Guy Dunphy via cctalk
wrote:
I would be in that same camp, assuming one of these would also work in a
2112B ("M Series") machine.
JRJ
Does anyone else recognise some of the other
boards?
There is a stack of IO interface boards, including HSTs, for the HP 2100/1000 series
there.
Lower-right stack in this pic, 7 boards, boards have one red and one grey handle:
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/n08AAOSwjY5dg5Kd/s-l1600.jpg
"HS Terminal" is discernible on one of them, and the one on top looks to be an
HS Terminal as well.
Can't be certain about the others but they have the same size IO connector, they may
all be HSTs.
HSTs are the basic RS232 & current loop, async serial-line interface boards, 12531D,
used for the console and such in the 2100/1000 series,
going back to the early machines of the series.
(HS is 'High-Speed', but that's relative to the late-60s, billed for up to
2400bps, but it is possible to operate them at higher speeds).
I'd buy one for, say 60$, if someone picks up the bunch and wants to flog one.
27 Sep
27 Sep
2:34 a.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jay Jaeger via cctalk
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 6:40 PM
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: HP vintage boards being sold as scrap
...
There is a stack of IO interface boards, including
HSTs, for the HP 2100/1000 series there.
Lower-right stack in this pic, 7 boards, boards have one red and one grey handle:
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/n08AAOSwjY5dg5Kd/s-l1600.jpg
"HS Terminal" is discernible on one of them, and the one on top looks to be an
HS Terminal as well.
Can't be certain about the others but they have the same size IO connector, they may
all be HSTs.
HSTs are the basic RS232 & current loop, async serial-line interface boards, 12531D,
used for the console and such in the 2100/1000 series,
going back to the early machines of the series.
(HS is 'High-Speed', but that's relative to the late-60s, billed for up to
2400bps, but it is possible to operate them at higher speeds).
I'd buy one for, say 60$, if someone picks up the bunch and wants to flog one.
I would be in that same camp, assuming one of these would also work in a
2112B ("M Series") machine.
JRJ
-----
They are readily available, individually, on eBay. See "HP12531".
There are currently two listed at reasonable prices, plus reasonable shipping.
For reference, this: http://www.hpmuseum.net/document.php?catfile=236
You probably want the HP 12531D. Both of the current eBay listings are the
"D".
I believe that the HP 12531C is what is visible on
http://www.hpmuseum.net/display_item.php?hw=111
paul
8:03 p.m.
On 9/27/2019 4:34 AM, Paul Birkel via cctalk wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jay Jaeger via
cctalk
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 6:40 PM
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: HP vintage boards being sold as scrap
...
Thanks for the tip. (Part of not recognizing that is that I had never
made the connection between the 2108B/2112B and the "1000" series
before, until I read about it in this thread, and did some poking
around. The HP's have not been one of my priorities in over a couple of
decades, and most of of that focus was on my older HP2114B.)
JRJ
There is a stack of IO interface boards,
including HSTs, for the HP 2100/1000 series there.
Lower-right stack in this pic, 7 boards, boards have one red and one grey handle:
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/n08AAOSwjY5dg5Kd/s-l1600.jpg
"HS Terminal" is discernible on one of them, and the one on top looks to be an
HS Terminal as well.
Can't be certain about the others but they have the same size IO connector, they may
all be HSTs.
HSTs are the basic RS232 & current loop, async serial-line interface boards, 12531D,
used for the console and such in the 2100/1000 series,
going back to the early machines of the series.
(HS is 'High-Speed', but that's relative to the late-60s, billed for up to
2400bps, but it is possible to operate them at higher speeds).
I'd buy one for, say 60$, if someone picks up the bunch and wants to flog one.
I would be in that same camp, assuming one of these would also work in a
2112B ("M Series") machine.
JRJ
-----
They are readily available, individually, on eBay. See "HP12531".
There are currently two listed at reasonable prices, plus reasonable shipping.
For reference, this: http://www.hpmuseum.net/document.php?catfile=236
You probably want the HP 12531D. Both of the current eBay listings are the
"D".
I believe that the HP 12531C is what is visible on
http://www.hpmuseum.net/display_item.php?hw=111
paul
29 Sep
29 Sep
7:32 p.m.
New subject: HP vintage boards being sold as scrap - WON
At 10:03 PM 27/09/2019 -0500, JRJ wrote:
Thanks for the tip. (Part of not recognizing that is
that I had never
made the connection between the 2108B/2112B and the "1000" series
before, until I read about it in this thread, and did some poking
around. The HP's have not been one of my priorities in over a couple of
decades, and most of of that focus was on my older HP2114B.)
JRJ
That's always mystified me too. "1000 series" for model numbers like 2108B,
2112B, 2113E, etc.
Weird corporate thinking. Maybe too much printed material with "1000" on to
change?
Or some other company had trademarked "2000 series" ?
Anyway... I WON THE AUCTION.
For US$306. Considering there are at least 12 of those DtoA cards, and apparently piles
of HP 1000 boards besides the serial IO ones, it's not too bad.
But I have to admit my max price was partly motivated by anti-gold-scrapper spite.
My god those guys are dumb. Engaging in an incremental bidding war on ebay demonstrates a
major mental deficit, given that there are more rational and effective avenues available.
Game theory? Obviously they have never heard of it.
From their bid histories, others bidding up this lot
(apart from Cindy) were solely interested in the gold.
I'm sticking to my view,
that anyone engaged in routinely crushing antique computer boards
for their gold content, is both amoral and stupid. So their retarded ebay bidding habits
are no surprise. Bulk contemporary e-waste, like piles of dead cell phones, sure, go for
it.
But failing to recognise that boards from the 70s through 80s are now increasingly rare
historical relics, is just inexcusable.
Maybe would have been cheaper if this group hadn't put on so many item watchers, but
that's life.
If anyone is interested in what it's like to work with a bidsnipe service, I took
screenshots.
Now, for disposition...
Zipped set of the 12 listing photos is here: http://everist.org/pics/pcbs/pics.zip
3.6MB
I have notes of who already wants some boards.
Anyone else who can identify specific boards and/or something they'd like, please
email me.
I really want to get all the boards identified, before onshipping them. Some might become
giveaways
or ebay fodder.
Worst case I'll have to send them to my reshipper in LA, CA.
I don't yet know if my reshipper is capable/willing to handle selecting boards and
sending them
to various destinations. And what they'd charge. I'll be asking them. Fingers
crossed.
If not, they'll all just have to come to me in Oz.
But they can sit at the reshipper for months if that's useful.
Maybe an alternative is for them to go to Cindy, to hold while we work out what they are
and who wants some?
Cindy, would you be willing to do that? Others would have to pay you for postage (+time),
and me for whatever
price is agreed on for the boards they want. I'm not greedy and don't expect to
make a profit.
Alternatively, is there anyone on the US East coast who wants to play hold and reship?
Please be quick, I won't be able to hold them up at the seller's for long.
I'm busy the rest of today, will start dealing with this tomorrow.
Don't actually have enough cash to pay for this atm, but will by Wed/Thur. ie 2 to 3
days from now.
Guy
9:25 p.m.
New subject: HP vintage boards being sold as scrap - WON
Sure, they can come here and sit in the warehouse for no more than a month.
I will identify the boards and ship to the appropriate addresses.
Please note that orders shipped to the EU or Russia or Australia become
cheaper in larger batches. I usually ship keyboards, and in this scenario, 1
keyboard costs at least $75 to ship to the EU, but 6 keyboards costs about
$120.
Happy to help the community!
Guy, don't forget to ask him for an adjusted invoice to include ESD and
proper padding. I believe he said this was $100?
Cindy
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Guy Dunphy
via cctalk
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 9:33 PM
To: Jay Jaeger; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: HP vintage boards being sold as scrap - WON
At 10:03 PM 27/09/2019 -0500, JRJ wrote:
Thanks for the tip. (Part of not recognizing that is
that I had never
made the connection between the 2108B/2112B and the "1000" series
before, until I read about it in this thread, and did some poking
around. The HP's have not been one of my priorities in over a couple of
decades, and most of of that focus was on my older HP2114B.)
JRJ
That's always mystified me too. "1000 series" for model numbers like 2108B,
2112B, 2113E, etc.
Weird corporate thinking. Maybe too much printed material with "1000" on to
change?
Or some other company had trademarked "2000 series" ?
Anyway... I WON THE AUCTION.
For US$306. Considering there are at least 12 of those DtoA cards, and
apparently piles
of HP 1000 boards besides the serial IO ones, it's not too bad.
But I have to admit my max price was partly motivated by anti-gold-scrapper
spite.
My god those guys are dumb. Engaging in an incremental bidding war on ebay
demonstrates a
major mental deficit, given that there are more rational and effective
avenues available.
Game theory? Obviously they have never heard of it.
From their bid histories, others bidding up this lot
(apart from Cindy) were
solely interested in the gold.
I'm sticking to my view, that anyone engaged in routinely crushing antique
computer boards
for their gold content, is both amoral and stupid. So their retarded ebay
bidding habits
are no surprise. Bulk contemporary e-waste, like piles of dead cell phones,
sure, go for it.
But failing to recognise that boards from the 70s through 80s are now
increasingly rare
historical relics, is just inexcusable.
Maybe would have been cheaper if this group hadn't put on so many item
watchers, but that's life.
If anyone is interested in what it's like to work with a bidsnipe service, I
took screenshots.
Now, for disposition...
Zipped set of the 12 listing photos is here:
http://everist.org/pics/pcbs/pics.zip 3.6MB
I have notes of who already wants some boards.
Anyone else who can identify specific boards and/or something they'd like,
please email me.
I really want to get all the boards identified, before onshipping them. Some
might become giveaways
or ebay fodder.
Worst case I'll have to send them to my reshipper in LA, CA.
I don't yet know if my reshipper is capable/willing to handle selecting
boards and sending them
to various destinations. And what they'd charge. I'll be asking them.
Fingers crossed.
If not, they'll all just have to come to me in Oz.
But they can sit at the reshipper for months if that's useful.
Maybe an alternative is for them to go to Cindy, to hold while we work out
what they are and who wants some?
Cindy, would you be willing to do that? Others would have to pay you for
postage (+time), and me for whatever
price is agreed on for the boards they want. I'm not greedy and don't
expect to make a profit.
Alternatively, is there anyone on the US East coast who wants to play hold
and reship?
Please be quick, I won't be able to hold them up at the seller's for long.
I'm busy the rest of today, will start dealing with this tomorrow.
Don't actually have enough cash to pay for this atm, but will by Wed/Thur.
ie 2 to 3 days from now.
Guy
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New subject: HP vintage boards being sold as scrap - WON
Developments!
I asked:
Alternatively, is there anyone on the US East coast who
wants to play hold and reship?
Dan Veeneman in Maryland has volunteered. Thank you Dan!
His web site: http://decodesystems.com is pretty cool, check it out.
Assuming I can get the seller to ship the boards to Dan, what will happen is this:
For each type of board, we'll have:
- A good hi-res photo of one.
- Note of any identifying numbers, version, etc.
- Count of how many there are.
- Notes of any individual damage, removed ICs, etc.
- What we know of what they _are_, as this is discovered.
These will go up on my site at http://everist.org/pics/pcbs
Auction pics are there now. If you recognize any boards, please say so!
Discussion about identifying boards, and who wants what, prices, etc,
should be offlist via me: guykd at optusnet.com.au
I don't expect to make a profit, just alleviate the cost somewhat.
As boards are assigned, you can discuss postage cost and details with Dan.
I'll give buyers his contact details, if you don't already have them from cctalk.
Then people can arrange shipping details and post costs with him.
He likely will want something for his efforts; that remains to be determined.
He'll probably make some announcement about that, as it becomes clear what kind
of effort will be involved.
Guy
11:09 p.m.
New subject: HP vintage boards being sold as scrap - WON
On Sep 29, 2019, at 19:32, Guy Dunphy via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
At 10:03 PM 27/09/2019 -0500, JRJ wrote:
?2000? was occupied by the timeshared BASIC system product line.
-Frank McConnell
Thanks for the tip. (Part of not recognizing
that is that I had never
made the connection between the 2108B/2112B and the "1000" series
before, until I read about it in this thread, and did some poking
around. The HP's have not been one of my priorities in over a couple of
decades, and most of of that focus was on my older HP2114B.)
JRJ
That's always mystified me too. "1000 series" for model numbers like 2108B,
2112B, 2113E, etc.
Weird corporate thinking. Maybe too much printed material with "1000" on to
change?
Or some other company had trademarked "2000 series? ? 
2 Oct
2 Oct
9:40 a.m.
New subject: HP vintage boards being sold as scrap - WON
On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 8:33 PM Guy Dunphy via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
That's always mystified me too. "1000
series" for model numbers like
2108B, 2112B, 2113E, etc.
Weird corporate thinking. Maybe too much printed material with "1000" on
to change?
Or some other company had trademarked "2000 series" ?
It was the 2100 series (actual HP part numbers), and then marketing decided
to call it "1000 series" as a marketing name, but not for the part
numbering. "HP 2000" (and perhaps some other "HP 20nn" part numbers)
and
"HP 21nn" part numbers were assigned to computers. The actual "HP
1nnn"
part numbers had already been assigned to other divisions and products,
e.g., HP 16nn logic analyzers.
The distinction between "marketing numbers" and actual HP part numbers has
caused a heck of a lot of confusion over the years. Other vendors have done
similar things.
26 Sep
26 Sep
6:08 p.m.
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Guy
Dunphy via cctalk
Incidentally I've identified those boards. The ones with the pull rings:
https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/ZrUAAOSwI5Fdg5KH/$_57.j
pg
They are 12/13 bit isolated DtoA, either voltage or current out. 44429A or
44430A.
These are the current ones, recognizable by the blue 4 screw posts (the
voltage ones have 8 screw posts). So it would be a pile of 44430A. I have a
working HP 3497, so I could use one or two!
Marc
27 Sep
27 Sep
1:26 a.m.
At 06:08 PM 26/09/2019 -0700, you wrote:
Well, if I were to bid, I'd use my usual snipe service: https://www.bidnapper.com/
But the postage of US$159.91 (to CA) kills it for me. It wouldn't be much less to TX,
and anyway I don't think ebay allows to specify some other shipping address.
Plus I expect that even if he can be persuaded to pack responsibly, he'll want more
money to do so.
Cindy:
From: cctalk
[mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Guy
Dunphy via cctalk
Incidentally I've identified those boards. The ones with the pull rings:
https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/ZrUAAOSwI5Fdg5KH/$_57.j
pg
They are 12/13 bit isolated DtoA, either voltage or current out. 44429A or
44430A.
These are the current ones, recognizable by the blue 4 screw posts (the
voltage ones have 8 screw posts). So it would be a pile of 44430A. I have a
working HP 3497, so I could use one or two!
Marc I have contacted the seller and asked what it would
take to get these boards
ESD wrapped and properly packaged to me in TX. We will see if he is
willing...
Please let us know if he responds usefully. Btw it's not so much ESD protection
needed,
more physical padding to avoid the boards grinding against each other in transport.
Have you used a snipe bidding service? I recommend it.
If you buy them, I'll take all the HP DtoA cards (minus 2 for Marc) and a couple of
the
HP 1000 serial cards, for US$130. Plus postage from you to CA. Payment by paypal.
Does that sound OK to you?
Then of course there is the question of what snipe bid would be likely to beat whatever
that one existing bid is. I'd be inclined to guess that person has placed a minimal
bid.
People who bid early typically do that.
Guy
26 Sep
26 Sep
5:35 p.m.
I have contacted the seller and asked what it would take to get these boards
ESD wrapped and properly packaged to me in TX. We will see if he is
willing...
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