25 May
2004
25 May
'04
9:43 p.m.
Hello list,
Have been fooling around with my 11/04 and all is great, but problem is I have no 70s
peripherals. I only have 80s stuff; i.e. MSCP/RA/DU disks and tapes.
So I'll need boot ROMs which supports RA and DU disks. Because my 11/04 used to be an
embedded CNC drill controller, in the place of the regular CPU diagnostic is has a weird
proprietary program which tries to initialize some long-gone/dead equipment which used to
be connected to the PDP.
In summary, I'm willing to pay a fair/reasonable price for the following M9312 ROMs
(unless some one has spares, then I wouldn't mind them free of course :-)):
1. Console Emulator and Diagnostic ROM (P/N 23-248F1)
For use on 11/04, 11/05, 11/34, 11/35, 11/40, 11/45, 11/50, 11/55 systems
2. UDA50 DU Boot ROM (P/N 23-767A9)
For booting from RAnn/RDnn MSCP disks
3. TK50/TU81 MU Boot ROM (P/N 23-E39A9)
For booting from TK/TU TMSCP tapes
4. RX02 DY Boot ROM (P/N 23-811A9)
For booting from a RX02 8" floppy
(don't have one now, but trying..)
5. RL01/02 RL Boot ROM (P/N 23-751A9)
For booting from RL01/RL02 disk cartridge systems
(also don't have one now, but trying...)
Thanks.
/wai-sun
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26 May
26 May
7:19 a.m.
On Wed, 26 May 2004, wai-sun chia wrote:
Hello list,
Have been fooling around with my 11/04 and all is great, but problem is I have no 70s
peripherals. I only have 80s stuff; i.e. MSCP/RA/DU disks and tapes.
So I'll need boot ROMs which supports RA and DU disks. Because my 11/04 used to be an
embedded CNC drill controller, in the place of the regular CPU diagnostic is has a weird
proprietary program which tries to initialize some long-gone/dead equipment which used to
be connected to the PDP.
In summary, I'm willing to pay a fair/reasonable price for the following M9312 ROMs
(unless some one has spares, then I wouldn't mind them free of course :-)):
...
Although I assume we can all check our systems and boards and come
up with all of these, wouldnt it be much nicer (and cheaper) if you
just get the ROM contents as binary files, which you then plug into
an eprom?
--f
2:17 p.m.
Fred N. van Kempen wrote:
On Wed, 26 May 2004, wai-sun chia wrote:
Hmm...that's a great idea!
* slaps self on the forehead *
So anybody out there who has an inventory/collection for boot ROMs..
/wai-sun
Hello list,
Have been fooling around with my 11/04 and all is great, but problem is I have no 70s
peripherals. I only have 80s stuff; i.e. MSCP/RA/DU disks and tapes.
So I'll need boot ROMs which supports RA and DU disks. Because my 11/04 used to be an
embedded CNC drill controller, in the place of the regular CPU diagnostic is has a weird
proprietary program which tries to initialize some long-gone/dead equipment which used to
be connected to the PDP.
In summary, I'm willing to pay a fair/reasonable price for the following M9312 ROMs
(unless some one has spares, then I wouldn't mind them free of course :-)):
...
Although I assume we can all check our systems and boards and come
up with all of these, wouldnt it be much nicer (and cheaper) if you
just get the ROM contents as binary files, which you then plug into
an eprom?
3:53 p.m.
...
Although I assume we can all check our systems and boards and
come up
with all of these, wouldnt it be much nicer (and
cheaper) if you just
get the ROM contents as binary files, which you then plug into an
eprom?
--f
the binaries are around, but finding a eprom might be tricky.
Actually, finding blank roms isn't that bad buy then you have to find a
burner that knows what to do with a 4*256device...
P_
7:35 a.m.
I currently have 3 M9312 boards with various ROMs. I will be getting a PDP
11/34
tomorrow or Friday and I will be removing the M9312 from it because I need
to send
it back to the person I got the 11/34 from. I'll then install one of my 3
M9312 boards.
Of my three M9312s, I will use one in the 11/34 for RL01/02 bootstrap
support. I
am also keeping one (or more) of each type of ROM that I have. Some of the
ROMs on these boards are not marked with a standard DEC number (they appear
to be PROMs that someone made), so I will need to inspect the contents of
the
ROMs once I put the board in the 11/34. After I take inventory, I'll let
you have
(for a small fee, whatever they cost me) a board with the console emulator
ROM
and let you know what other ROMs I have left.
Ashley
----- Original Message -----
From: "wai-sun chia" <squidster(a)techie.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 5:43 AM
Subject: Wanted: M9312 ROMs
Hello list,
Have been fooling around with my 11/04 and all is great, but problem is I
have no
70s peripherals. I only have 80s stuff; i.e. MSCP/RA/DU disks and
tapes.
So I'll need boot ROMs which supports RA and DU disks. Because my 11/04
used to
be an embedded CNC drill controller, in the place of the regular CPU
diagnostic is has a weird proprietary program which tries to initialize some
long-gone/dead equipment which used to be connected to the PDP.
In summary, I'm willing to pay a fair/reasonable price for the following
M9312
ROMs (unless some one has spares, then I wouldn't mind them free of
course :-)):
1. Console Emulator and Diagnostic ROM (P/N 23-248F1)
For use on 11/04, 11/05, 11/34, 11/35, 11/40, 11/45, 11/50, 11/55
systems
2. UDA50 DU Boot ROM (P/N 23-767A9)
For booting from RAnn/RDnn MSCP disks
3. TK50/TU81 MU Boot ROM (P/N 23-E39A9)
For booting from TK/TU TMSCP tapes
4. RX02 DY Boot ROM (P/N 23-811A9)
For booting from a RX02 8" floppy
(don't have one now, but trying..)
5. RL01/02 RL Boot ROM (P/N 23-751A9)
For booting from RL01/RL02 disk cartridge systems
(also don't have one now, but trying...)
Thanks.
/wai-sun
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11:31 a.m.
I agree with Fred: I'd like to see an electronic library of 9312
bootstraps that we could all share and download as necessary. I have
a /84 and /70 that I'd like to get images for (TK50, etc.) that I
don't already have. Burning an EPROM seems like an easy way to go.
Any images already archived?
Any volunteers to host a collection?
John
11:37 a.m.
sure I'll host it. I'll just put it under www.classiccmp.org/M9312
Someone just give me the files!
Jay
----- Original Message -----
From: "John A. Dundas III" <dundas(a)caltech.edu>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: Wanted: M9312 ROMs
I agree with Fred: I'd like to see an electronic
library of 9312
bootstraps that we could all share and download as necessary. I have
a /84 and /70 that I'd like to get images for (TK50, etc.) that I
don't already have. Burning an EPROM seems like an easy way to go.
Any images already archived?
Any volunteers to host a collection?
John
1:51 p.m.
Doesn't the M9312 use Bipolar PROMs? (they are .3" wide 16 pin devices)
Does anyone know the part numbers of the blank ones or have a source for
them or a programmer that can program them?
Just in case you're not familar with what these look like here's a
picture of one.
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4128541723>.
Can the same ROM code be used in a M8578 or other ROM card? It uses .6"
wide 28 pin ROMs.
Joe
At 06:37 PM 5/26/04 -0500, you wrote:
sure I'll host it. I'll just put it under
www.classiccmp.org/M9312
Someone just give me the files!
Jay
----- Original Message -----
From: "John A. Dundas III" <dundas(a)caltech.edu>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: Wanted: M9312 ROMs
I agree with Fred: I'd like to see an
electronic library of 9312
bootstraps that we could all share and download as necessary. I have
a /84 and /70 that I'd like to get images for (TK50, etc.) that I
don't already have. Burning an EPROM seems like an easy way to go.
Any images already archived?
Any volunteers to host a collection?
John
2:15 p.m.
I have the numbers on the blank ones, but I'll have to look at
some on the boards to find out. One of my boards has PROMs on
it that don't have the DEC numbers. When I acquired these
boards, I noticed that some of the ROMs were not numbered with
DEC numbers and I looked them up on Google and found several
electronics places that said they sold them.
Ashley
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Joe R.
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 9:51 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Wanted: M9312 ROMs
Doesn't the M9312 use Bipolar PROMs? (they are .3" wide 16 pin devices)
Does anyone know the part numbers of the blank ones or have a source for
them or a programmer that can program them?
Just in case you're not familar with what these look like here's a
picture of one.
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4128541723>.
Can the same ROM code be used in a M8578 or other ROM card? It uses .6"
wide 28 pin ROMs.
Joe
At 06:37 PM 5/26/04 -0500, you wrote:
sure I'll host it. I'll just put it under
www.classiccmp.org/M9312
Someone just give me the files!
Jay
----- Original Message -----
From: "John A. Dundas III" <dundas(a)caltech.edu>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: Wanted: M9312 ROMs
I agree with Fred: I'd like to see an
electronic library of 9312
bootstraps that we could all share and download as necessary. I have
a /84 and /70 that I'd like to get images for (TK50, etc.) that I
don't already have. Burning an EPROM seems like an easy way to go.
Any images already archived?
Any volunteers to host a collection?
John
27 May
27 May
9:11 a.m.
Joe R. wrote:
Doesn't the M9312 use Bipolar PROMs?
Yes, they are 74S571N, Am27S13 or 82S131N devices (2048 bit).
Does anyone know the part numbers of the blank ones or
have a source for
them or a programmer that can program them?
I have a programmer that can read and write them, a Stag PPZ with
Zm2000 EPROM module. The PROMs are 4 bits wide, which means that
the PDP-11's 16-bit words are stored in a somewhat strange manner.
In fact, some of the bits are stored inverted, too. The M9312
manual describes it all, though, and I've written some code to
un-mangle the data (which seemed to work).
--
John Honniball
coredump(a)gifford.co.uk
12:38 p.m.
At 10:11 PM 5/27/04 +0100, you wrote:
Joe R. wrote:
Cool! I have the same programmer and I thought it would program them but
I wasn't sure. My Pro-Log programmer will program too but you have to have
different plug-ins for the different brand parts.
Joe
The PROMs are 4 bits wide, which means that
Doesn't the M9312 use Bipolar PROMs?
Yes, they are 74S571N, Am27S13 or 82S131N devices (2048 bit).
Does anyone know the part numbers of the blank
ones or have a source for
them or a programmer that can program them?
I have a programmer that can read and write them, a Stag PPZ with
Zm2000 EPROM module. the PDP-11's 16-bit words are stored in a somewhat
strange manner.
In fact, some of the bits are stored inverted, too. The M9312
manual describes it all, though, and I've written some code to
un-mangle the data (which seemed to work).
--
John Honniball
coredump(a)gifford.co.uk
1:56 p.m.
New subject: Wanted: M9312 ROMs (data i/o help needed)
I made images of all my roms, but the burner I used is ancient and
non-standard so they likely won't help, I want to read them with
something a little more standard, a DATAI/O 29b... has anyone got the
"device code" for the 82S131?
thanks,
Pavl_
sure I'll host it. I'll just put it under
www.classiccmp.org/M9312
Someone just give me the files!
Jay
----- Original Message -----
From: "John A. Dundas III" <dundas(a)caltech.edu>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: Wanted: M9312 ROMs
> I agree with Fred: I'd like to see an electronic library of 9312
> bootstraps that we could all share and download as necessary. I
have
> a /84 and /70 that I'd like to get images for
(TK50, etc.) that I
> don't already have. Burning an EPROM seems like an easy way to
go.
>
> Any images already archived?
>
> Any volunteers to host a collection?
>
> John
13 Jun
13 Jun
1:05 p.m.
New subject: Wanted: M9312 ROMs and DATA IO help
I was using the unit correctly, I just had a couple bad "blank" chips.
So thanks all for the pointers, the unit was really easy to use once I got
some new chips.
I've spent some time and made more than a tube worth of boot roms this
weekend, the next thing is getting images posted and writing some of my own.
Has anyone got a dd(tu58) image or a rom I can copy?
Of course the roms were/are copyrighted? I very much doubt anyone will care,
how about it, anyone on the list object? What if I offered to make roms for
others for some nominal fee (by the time I buy a blank,wrap it, mail it, etc.
it might be $10)?
Pavl_
On Wednesday 26 May 2004 04:37 pm, you wrote:
sure I'll host it. I'll just put it under
www.classiccmp.org/M9312
Someone just give me the files!
Jay
----- Original Message -----
From: "John A. Dundas III" <dundas(a)caltech.edu>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: Wanted: M9312 ROMs
> I agree with Fred: I'd like to see an electronic library of 9312
> bootstraps that we could all share and download as necessary. I have
> a /84 and /70 that I'd like to get images for (TK50, etc.) that I
> don't already have. Burning an EPROM seems like an easy way to go.
>
> Any images already archived?
>
> Any volunteers to host a collection?
>
> John
26 May
26 May
11:42 a.m.
I'll put up a site to host these if you want. Once I get my 11/34 and get
some time, I'll see what's on the ROMs on my 3 boards.
Ashley
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of John A. Dundas III
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 7:32 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Wanted: M9312 ROMs
I agree with Fred: I'd like to see an electronic library of 9312
bootstraps that we could all share and download as necessary. I have
a /84 and /70 that I'd like to get images for (TK50, etc.) that I
don't already have. Burning an EPROM seems like an easy way to go.
Any images already archived?
Any volunteers to host a collection?
John
28 May
28 May
5:42 a.m.
I thought these were fuse link proms. Can one get eeprom's which are
compatible?
I have a device which can read/blow these proms, btw.
My 11/34 has:
248F1 - console
217F1 - ?
764A9 - ts04
751A9 - rl01 (boots my rl02, btw)
690A9 - ?
The 690 and 217 are soldered in. I'd be happy to read/post the other if
anyone wants them.
and, I could blow new proms if the parts are available.
-brad
8:19 a.m.
At 01:42 PM 5/28/04 -0400, you wrote:
I thought these were fuse link proms. Can one get eeprom's which are
compatible?
NO! I've already looked into this for the HP 1000s. The bipolar PROMs ar
>much<< faster. They're narrower and
shorter physically and have only 16
pins and are very different electrically.
I have a device which can read/blow these proms, btw.
My 11/34 has:
248F1 - console
217F1 - ?
764A9 - ts04
751A9 - rl01 (boots my rl02, btw)
690A9 - ?
The 690 and 217 are soldered in. I'd be happy to read/post the other if
anyone wants them.
and, I could blow new proms if the parts are available.
Do you have a programmer that can handle Bipolar PROMs?
Joe
-brad
9:57 a.m.
At 05:42 PM 5/28/04 -0400, you wrote:
"Joe R." wrote:
I don't know what spped the M9312 PROMs are rated at but I was just
looking at my notes about the Bipolar PROMs used in the HP 1000. They're
rated at 60nS. Can you get EPROMs that are that fast?
Joe
Do you have a programmer that can handle Bipolar PROMs?
I thought I did, but I was wrong, sorry. One model too low :-)
It's a hack, but I would think a simple "prom to eprom" adapter would
work with the speed of today's eeproms...
-brad
26 May
26 May
2:13 p.m.
Ashley Carder wrote:
I currently have 3 M9312 boards with various ROMs. I
will be getting a PDP
11/34
tomorrow or Friday and I will be removing the M9312 from it because I need
to send
it back to the person I got the 11/34 from. I'll then install one of my 3
M9312 boards.
Of my three M9312s, I will use one in the 11/34 for RL01/02 bootstrap
support. I
am also keeping one (or more) of each type of ROM that I have. Some of the
ROMs on these boards are not marked with a standard DEC number (they appear
to be PROMs that someone made), so I will need to inspect the contents of
the
ROMs once I put the board in the 11/34. After I take inventory, I'll let
you have
(for a small fee, whatever they cost me) a board with the console emulator
ROM
and let you know what other ROMs I have left.
Great! Will wait for you one that..
BTW, just so you know, I'm located in Malaysia.
p.s. Out of curiosity, any collectors from Asia?
/wai-sun
28 May
28 May
8:53 a.m.
On Thu, 27 May 2004, Wai-Sun Chia wrote:
BTW, just so you know, I'm located in Malaysia.
p.s. Out of curiosity, any collectors from Asia?
Cool! Our first Malaysian collector! VCF Asia is on! :)
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