DD drives or that DD disks can be used in HD drives _as HD disks_ (most HD drives can also handle DD disks, but only to store the amount of data that you'd get from a DD drive anyway).

We went through this shortly before you joined the list ... You've just prompted me to throw a FAQ together on this. Here goes :

5.25" floppy disk Frequently Asked Questions -------------------------------------------- 2000 A. R. Duell. Please feel free to distribute this document (on web sites, ftp sites, mailing lists, etc) provided this notice is intact. This doecument was written as a response to questions on the classic computer mailing list regarding the use of various types of 5.25" floppy disks in various types of drives. It attempts to explain what combinations work and why. For the moment I am only considering soft-sectored drives... 1) What types of (soft sectored) 5.25" drives are there. There are 5 common types : 48 tpi single sided, double density. These have 40 cylinders (and 40 tracks). On a PC they'd store 180K bytes

48tpi double sided, double density. These have 40 cylinders (80 tracks total, one foe each cylinder on each side of the disk). This is the

common PC 360K drive

96 tpi, single sided, double density. These have 80 cylinders (and being single-sided, 80 tracks). These are not common on PCs, but if used there

would store 360K. The DEC RX50 is a (double) drive of this type. 96 tpi, double sided, double density. Again, they have 80 cylinders (and thus 160 tracks). On a PC, they'd store 720K, although they're not commonly found on PCs.

96 tpi double density drives are sometimes called 'quad density' units. 96 tpi, double sided, high density. This is the PC 1.2Mbyte drive, and is not commonly used elsewhere. These drives have several differences compared to the double density version, although the PC controller hides some of these.

2) What are the real differenced between the various types? The difference between single and double sided drives is obvious -- the double sided drive has an extra head (mounted on top of the disk) and a switching circuit to select between the 2 heads. In passing at this point I'll mention that single-sided drives record on the bottom (non-label side] of the disk and that this is 'side 0' on double sided units The differences between 48 tpi and 96 tpi double density drives are again fairly obvious. The head positioner (mechanism that moves the read/write head) is designed to move the head only 1/96" per step rather than 1/48". The actual head in a 96tpi is narrower (radially) than the one in a 48tpi drive so that it writes a narrower track on the disk (so that adjacent tracks don't overlap at the closer spacing). The high density drive has several differences wrt the 96 tpi double density unit. Firstly, the spindle motor rotates at 360rpm (at least in high density mode, see below) rather than the 300rpm that all other drives rotate at. Also the 'write current' (the electric current passed through the head coil to write on the disk) is higher in high density mode so as to be able to write on the special high density disks. These have a higher coercivity than normal double density disks. There is a signal on the interface connector of high density drives (at least the properly-designed ones) that, when asserted, reduces the write current to the value used with normal double density disks. In this mode, the drive will reliably work as a 96 tpi double density unit. In some drives, asserting this signal will slow the spindle motor down to 300rpm, in others, it continues to turn at 360rpm and the controller has to handle a data rate of 6/5 times times the standard 250kbps double density rate. The IBM PC/AT disk controller is capable of doing this.

3) What types of disks exist? All 5.25" disks that I have ever seen are coated with the magnetic oxide on both sides. A double sided disk means that both sides have been tested and shown to be reliable for storing data. A single sided disk may be one where the top side has failed this test (and the bottom side is good) or one which simply hasn't been tested on both sides.

'80 track' -- 96 tpi -- double density disks do seem to be different from '40 track' -- 48 tpi ones. I suspect, without proof, that the 96 tpi ones are lower 'noise' which is important for the narrower tracks used on such drives. The original 5.25" disks were designed to be used in 48tpi drives, since that's all that there was at the time. Once 96 tpi drives became popular, many manufacturers starting making all their disks suitable for use in such drives (it was cheaper for them to have one production line) and sold them as 'universal' disks, suitable for use in 48 or 96 tpi drives, single or double sided. However, once the IBM PC and PC/AT became the only common computers to have 5.25" drives, many manufacturers went back to making 48 tpi disks only, since that was the only double density drive in common use. Therefore many modern double density (known as '360K disks') are _not_ reliable in 96tpi drives. High density disks are different. Period. The magnetic media has a different coercivitiy, and it can only be used in the high density drive _at the high density_.

4) What sorts of blank disks can be used in what drives? Double sided disks can always be used in single sided drives. The fact that the unused side is also perfectly good for storing data doesn't matter, of course 96 tpi double density disks can be used in 48 tpi double density drives. Again, the disk is 'better' than it needs to be, but that doesn't matter. This means that these disks can be used as follows : disk works in 96 tpi DS : 96 tpi DS, 96 tpi SS, 48 tpi DS, 48 tpi SS 96 tpi SS : 96 tpi SS, 48 tpi SS 48 tpi DS : 48 tpi DS, 48 tpi SS 48 tpi SS : 48 tpi SS For that reason, many manufacturers sold 96 tpi double sided disks as 'Universal' disks. They could be used in all types of (double density) drives. High density disks are special. They can _only_ be used in high density drives at the high density format. Similarly, high density drives will only reliably work in high density mode on such disks. But if the appropriate signal is asserted, then the high denisty drive behaves like a 96tpi double sided double density unit, and can use double density disks. 5) What combinations may work under some circumstances? Single sided disks may work in double sided drives. Firstly, some systems (many systems?) allow you to format them as single-sided, for which they are (obviously) suitable. And in many cases the 'other' side of the disk is perfectly good and the disk can be formatted as double sided.

48 tpi disks may be good enough to work in 96tpi drives. My experience suggests this is not reliable, though. 6) What about data interchange? What (already recorded) disks can be read in what sorts of drives? Let's deal with the obvious cases first. A double sided drive can read a single sided disk. The upper head is simply not used. Similarly, a double sided drive can write to an already-used single sided disk. Another obvious case is that the high density disks can only be used in high density drives. The less obvious case is the 48 tpi versus 96tpi issue. The drives were designed so that the centre line of alternate 96 tpi cylinders is the same distance from the spindle as the centre line of each 48 tpi cylinder. Thus 48 tpi disks can be read in 96 tpi drives if the drive 'double steps'. Some drives can do this in hardware (there may be a switch marked 40/80 on the drive casing), some operating systems can handle this. Since a high density drive can be 'turned into' a double density drive by asserting that signal I keep mentioning, a high denisty drive can also reliably read 48 tpi disks. 96 tpi drives writing to 48 tpi disks is a cause of many problems, which deserves its own section.

7) What's all this about writing to 48 tpi disks in 96 tpi drives? This is perhaps the biggest cause of problems with 5.25" disks. People write a file to a 48tpi disk using a 96 tpi drive and find that the result is readable on 96 tpi drives but not on 48 tpi drives. Remember that the 96 tpi drive has a narrower head than the 48 tpi drive, so it writes a narrower track to the disk. Suppose we take a totally blank disk and format it on a 48 tpi drive. This writes 40 tracks on each side of the disk. They may be 'empty' in the sense that they contain no user data, but they're still recorded. Then we write to it on a double-stepping 96 tpi drive. The narrower head overwrittes the middle band of some tracks, but the edges remain unchanged. A 96 tpi drive can read that perfectly well. Its narrow head only 'sees' the 'new' data down the middle of each track. But a 48 tpi drive with its wider head, sees both the old and new data. The result is a mess that the controller can't decode. So the disk is not readable on a 48 tpi drive. A similar argument shows that the same problem occurs if you take a blank disk, format it on a double-stepping 96 tpi drive, write some files to it there, write to it with a 48 tpi drive and then write to it with the double-stepping 96 tpi drive again. The result is not readable on a 48 tpi drive. In general, if you take a blank disk, format it on a double stepping 96 tpi drive and write to it there only, the result is readable both 48 tpi and 96 tpi drives. The narrower tracks generally do provide enough signal for the wider head on the 48 tpi drive provided there is nothing in the 'blank' spaces between the tracks. The simple rule is : * If you ever write to a disk in a 96 tpi drive that has already be * * written to (including formatting) in a 48 tpi drive then the result * * may well not be readable in 48 tpi drives. *

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On Sat, 24 Jun 2000, Tony Duell wrote: One word of caution regarding the use of DD disks in HD drives: it's been my experience that which this may appear to work, problems sometimes arise when one attempts to read the data written in a DD disk by an HD drive.

Incidentally, looking through old catalogues, I found a reference to a 40 cylinder 3.5" drive. Has anyone ever seen one of those? Looks like a chance for the same sort of incompatabilities with the normal 80 cylinder 3.5" drives as the 5.25" people experience!

[ 5.25" 80 cylinder 96 tpi drives on IBM PCs] Why couldn't you simply set it up as a 720K (3.5") drive on _any_ PC?

Considering the 96tpi DD 5.25" disk and the 3.5" DD disk, they have the same number of cylinders (80), the same number of heads (2), the same number of sectors/track (9), the same rotational speed (300 rpm) ,etc. So why isn't the capacity _exactly_ the same?

> The problem with using DRIVPARM appears to be an incompatibility with the > IBM BIOS, NOT an issue of which version of the OS!

I'm not shure but couldn't this be circumvented with "driver.sys" It will take a few bytes of memory more than DRIVPARM but it should work on any IBM-compatibe system including the ones from big blue itself .