17 May
2018
17 May
'18
10:24 a.m.
On Wed, 16 May 2018, geneb wrote:
> On Wed, 16 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
>
>> OK? I? see there is a? mix? of? photos in this? directory!
>> some? tape? reader? some? drum? 2? separate? topics.
>> ?
> Ed, I don't know if you (or anyone else) can see this, but there's two junk
> characters at the end of every word you write. I see it in Alpine and it
> makes your text nearly unreadable. :)
I get the digest and see question mark characters after most words. Perhaps they will show
in the above quoted message, which I copied out of the digest.
Bob
17 May
17 May
11:09 a.m.
yep we see them? but? ?we? did not? type them intentionally??
may way to adjust? your? mail reader reader as? they do not? show up in? ?any of the? mail
readers? we have access to.
Ed#?
?
In a message dated 5/17/2018 10:24:41 AM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at
classiccmp.org writes:
?
On Wed, 16 May 2018, geneb wrote:
> On Wed, 16 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
>
>> OK? I? see there is a? mix? of? photos in this? directory!
>> some? tape? reader? some? drum? 2? separate? topics.
>> ?
> Ed, I don't know if you (or anyone else) can see this, but there's two junk
> characters at the end of every word you write. I see it in Alpine and it
> makes your text nearly unreadable. :)
I get the digest and see question mark characters after most words. Perhaps they will show
in the above quoted message, which I copied out of the digest.
Bob
11:47 a.m.
On Thu, 17 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
yep we see them?? but?? ??we?? did not?? type them
intentionally????
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/06/13/we/
may way to adjust?? your?? mail reader reader as??
they do not?? show up in?? ??any of the?? mail readers?? we have access to.
Ed#??
If your email program is crapping, it is not the responsibility of
everybody else to "adjust" their mail readers to filter out the crap.
This group has been remarkably tolerant of NON-ASCII content.
Many already have configurations that do such filtering, and are not
seeing all of the mess.
Others just assume that your mail client, or your keyboard is BROKEN.
Would cleaning the contacts of your space bar reduce the bounce and noise
it produces?
Perhaps also repair the rest of the punctuation keys, if the keyboard
has any, and at least one of the shift keys.
That is assuming that it is a keyboard, and not a telegraph key, nor OCR
of crayon drawings.
OTOH, if the keyboard in question consists of a xerox of a Timex/Sinclair,
then you are to be commended for getting output that is so close to
being text.
"My handwriting is so bad that even my typing is illegible."
12:05 p.m.
wonder how many are running that version of alpine that exists errors?
Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
On Thursday, May 17, 2018 Fred Cisin via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
yep we see them? but? ?we? did not? type them
intentionally??
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/06/13/we/
may way to adjust? your? mail reader reader as? they
do not? show up in? ?any of the? mail readers? we have access to.
Ed#?
If your email program is crapping, it is not the responsibility of
everybody else to "adjust" their mail readers to filter out the crap.
This group has been remarkably tolerant of NON-ASCII content.
Many already have configurations that do such filtering, and are not
seeing all of the mess.
Others just assume that your mail client, or your keyboard is BROKEN.
Would cleaning the contacts of your space bar reduce the bounce and noise
it produces?
Perhaps also repair the rest of the punctuation keys, if the keyboard
has any, and at least one of the shift keys.
That is assuming that it is a keyboard, and not a telegraph key, nor OCR
of crayon drawings.
OTOH, if the keyboard in question consists of a xerox of a Timex/Sinclair,
then you are to be commended for getting output that is so close to
being text.
"My handwriting is so bad that even my typing is illegible."
12:18 p.m.
On Thu, 17 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
wonder how many are running that version of alpine
that exists errors?
The problem isn't on the destination end, it's on the origin.
Asking me to adjust my email client to fix your problem is like a noisy
neighbor demanding I wear earplugs.
g.
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12:19 p.m.
On Thu, 17 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
wonder how many are running that version of alpine
that exists errors?
Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
Are you hypothesizing that it is a specific version of Alpine that
creates the extraneous characters, and produces the errors
of captialization, punctuation, and inconsistent spacing?
I am using PINE, and only get the errors of captialization, punctuation,
and inconsistent spacing.
OTOH, there are many of us with worse mispelings.
12:38 p.m.
OK I do know the? Pine? ?I used it at the stat of the internet? with a text browser? for
webpages also. This back when I ran them on a slow? PC that was unable to run mosaic etc
etc etc.? ? Wow? ?flashback...? and not necessarily a? pleasant one! ( but those software
items would run on darn near anything...? ?Ed#
?
In a message dated 5/17/2018 12:19:25 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at
classiccmp.org writes:
?
On Thu, 17 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
wonder how many are running that version of alpine
that exists errors?
Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
Are you hypothesizing that it is a specific version of Alpine that
creates the extraneous characters, and produces the errors
of captialization, punctuation, and inconsistent spacing?
I am using PINE, and only get the errors of captialization, punctuation,
and inconsistent spacing.
OTOH, there are many of us with worse mispelings.
12:51 p.m.
On May 17, 2018, at 11:47, Fred Cisin wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
My guess is (and has been for a while) "dictated to Cortana". And his Cortana
is sometimes hard of hearing because the mic got buried under something.
We live in interesting times in which the future is here but not evenly distributed. For
many modern e-mail user programs, the default character set for plain text is no longer
US-ASCII or some local national variation but Unicode. And the e-mail composer works hard
to notice that its user has typed a quotation mark so it can promote it into some other
Unicode quotation mark (e.g. " gets turned into LEFT DOUBLE QUOTATION MARK). It then
gets sent as text/plain, but with UTF-8 encoding; and some but not all combinations of
mail readers and display devices can show Unicode characters in UTF-8 encoding.
So if you insist on reading your e-mail with a VT100 or even an HP 700/92, some e-mail is
looking funny and more will; but some of the newer terminal emulators (e.g. Terminal.app
on macOS) are capable of displaying Unicode from a received UTF-8 stream, and that is why
reports of success with Alpine vary: people running it from a terminal that understands
UTF-8 see the non-breaking space characters as blanks, while those who run it from a
terminal that understands only US-ASCII see them as something else.
Right at the moment I am using Apple Mail and it is one of those things that does
character promotion, and sometimes I have uses for that. I think I may have fixed this
message, but that fixing is a conscious effort and takes some work to retype those
quotation marks and move away from them with some care, and then check again before you
send because sometimes it re-scans and re-promotes.
-Frank McConnell
yep we see them but we did not type them
intentionally
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/06/13/we/
may way to adjust your mail reader reader as
they do not show up in any of the mail readers we have access to.
Ed#
If your email program is crapping, it is not the responsibility of everybody else to
"adjust" their mail readers to filter out the crap.
This group has been remarkably tolerant of NON-ASCII content.
Many already have configurations that do such filtering, and are not seeing all of the
mess.
Others just assume that your mail client, or your keyboard is BROKEN.
Would cleaning the contacts of your space bar reduce the bounce and noise it produces?
Perhaps also repair the rest of the punctuation keys, if the keyboard has any, and at
least one of the shift keys.
That is assuming that it is a keyboard, and not a telegraph key, nor OCR of crayon
drawings.
12:56 p.m.
there seems to be a difference sometimes in quote in ms word and regular ascii when
posting some things some places
Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
On Thursday, May 17, 2018 Frank McConnell via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
On May 17, 2018, at 11:47, Fred Cisin wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
My guess is (and has been for a while) "dictated to Cortana". And his Cortana is
sometimes hard of hearing because the mic got buried under something.
We live in interesting times in which the future is here but not evenly distributed. For
many modern e-mail user programs, the default character set for plain text is no longer
US-ASCII or some local national variation but Unicode. And the e-mail composer works hard
to notice that its user has typed a quotation mark so it can promote it into some other
Unicode quotation mark (e.g. " gets turned into LEFT DOUBLE QUOTATION MARK). It then
gets sent as text/plain, but with UTF-8 encoding; and some but not all combinations of
mail readers and display devices can show Unicode characters in UTF-8 encoding.
So if you insist on reading your e-mail with a VT100 or even an HP 700/92, some e-mail is
looking funny and more will; but some of the newer terminal emulators (e.g. Terminal.app
on macOS) are capable of displaying Unicode from a received UTF-8 stream, and that is why
reports of success with Alpine vary: people running it from a terminal that understands
UTF-8 see the non-breaking space characters as blanks, while those who run it from a
terminal that understands only US-ASCII see them as something else.
Right at the moment I am using Apple Mail and it is one of those things that does
character promotion, and sometimes I have uses for that. I think I may have fixed this
message, but that fixing is a conscious effort and takes some work to retype those
quotation marks and move away from them with some care, and then check again before you
send because sometimes it re-scans and re-promotes.
-Frank McConnell
yep we see them but we did not type them
intentionally
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/06/13/we/
may way to adjust your mail reader reader as they
do not show up in any of the mail readers we have access to.
Ed#
If your email program is crapping, it is not the responsibility of everybody else to
"adjust" their mail readers to filter out the crap.
This group has been remarkably tolerant of NON-ASCII content.
Many already have configurations that do such filtering, and are not seeing all of the
mess.
Others just assume that your mail client, or your keyboard is BROKEN.
Would cleaning the contacts of your space bar reduce the bounce and noise it produces?
Perhaps also repair the rest of the punctuation keys, if the keyboard has any, and at
least one of the shift keys.
That is assuming that it is a keyboard, and not a telegraph key, nor OCR of crayon
drawings. 
1:18 p.m.
2018, at 11:47, Fred Cisin wrote:
Possibly not but as a UK citizen I find that if I use ? or ? then these can't be
represented as "ASCII" (whatever that is)
http://www.aivosto.com/vbtips/charsets-7bit.html
Dave
On Thu, 17 May 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
of the
mail readers we have access to. yep we see them but we did not type them
intentionally
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/06/13/we/
> may way to adjust your mail reader reader as they do not show up in any 
3:26 p.m.
On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 12:47 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
If your email program is crapping, it is not the
responsibility of
everybody else to "adjust" their mail readers to filter out the crap.
This group has been remarkably tolerant of NON-ASCII content.
I generally agree, but at least "quoted-printable" is a _standard_
encoding, and not some totally random brokenness.
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