12 Oct
2000
12 Oct
'00
9:01 a.m.
I gues that was not you I had in mind, after all I bought your portfolio
which in my opinion was rightly priced for the content. (did you ever find
that parallel port?)
The seller I was refering to had the biggest booth of all and the most
inflated prices I have ever seen. For reference the name started with
"Computer" and ended in "Jones", That's the guy who didn't
want to sell at
the VCF. I don't know where he comes from but I have never ever ever seen a
dealer in used "crap" refusing to bargain. And that really pissed me off
(here you go Sellam another example of where cussing IS appropriate). That's
the dude I hope had to take his load back home. He's a buisness and should
know better. If he wants "ebay prices" (TM) for his stuff, he should sell on
ebay or out of his store or whaterver hole in the wall he normally operates
from. A hobby meeting is for hobbyists where you unload stuff you don't want
anymore and sell at a reasonable price so you're not out of pocket. If a
business wants to participate, they should undrstand the spirit of the event
and be willing to play by the rules.
I could go on but I have a meeting to attend
My rant
Francois
> >Let's see, how would you name a meeting
where several buyers went
> >home with new toys at acceptable prices (a TRS 80 M1 with expansion
> >box, printer and all dust covers (!) at USD 30 isn't realy overpriced)
> >and some pricepushing dealer went home with their entire stock ?
> >
> I just Wish I could have seen his face when he was packing his stuff
back.
I hope he
swore to never make it back.
I don't think that my prices were THAT bad! We made a lot of people
happy, got rid of a few boxes of old class handout reprints from Dr.
Dobbs, and found homes for a few items (PCJrs, Portfolio, etc.). At the
end of the day, I sold my entire remaining stock that I had brought down
to a colleague who is starting a collection (OSI, N*'s, Compupro, etc) for
a preset price. He still owes me one more pizza.
Sellam puts on a fantastic event (calling it a "great fucking show" could
be miscontrued). I shall return.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
12 Oct
12 Oct
12:34 p.m.
On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, FBA wrote:
The seller I was refering to had the biggest booth of
all and the most
inflated prices I have ever seen. For reference the name started with
"Computer" and ended in "Jones", That's the guy who didn't
want to sell at
the VCF. I don't know where he comes from but I have never ever ever seen a
dealer in used "crap" refusing to bargain. And that really pissed me off
(here you go Sellam another example of where cussing IS appropriate). That's
the dude I hope had to take his load back home. He's a buisness and should
know better. If he wants "ebay prices" (TM) for his stuff, he should sell on
ebay or out of his store or whaterver hole in the wall he normally operates
from. A hobby meeting is for hobbyists where you unload stuff you don't want
anymore and sell at a reasonable price so you're not out of pocket. If a
business wants to participate, they should undrstand the spirit of the event
and be willing to play by the rules.
I hear you loud and clear. My problem is in choosing between filling the
vendor area with stuff and generating more income for the enterprise vs.
turning away vendors who may potentially cause problems. Let's see, money
vs. empty space, money vs. empty space, hmmmm... :)
The only thing I pre-screen about a vendor is what they're selling, to
make sure they are sticking to the rule (10 years or older, computer stuff
only). I have considered making suggestions to them about pricing but I
didn't feel it was my place to dictate how they should run their business.
However, I think next year I will make suggestions to the vendors that may
result in increased sales for them.
Overall the pricing of stuff at the VCF is reasonable, with the occasional
exception from particularly hard-headed sellers, as well as the occasional
bargain. But like with anything, haggling skills are useful.
Some of the best deals were at the consignment table, which unfortunately
wasn't as organized as last year's. I plan to improve this considerably
next year and get even more stuff there. The consignment section actually
is a haggle zone. The prices you see on the items are not absolutely set,
and are usually low to begin with.
Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger
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Looking for a six in a pile of nines...
VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1
San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California
See http://www.vintage.org for details!
6:54 p.m.
I hear you loud and clear. My problem is in choosing between filling the
vendor area with stuff and generating more income for the enterprise vs.
turning away vendors who may potentially cause problems. Let's see, money
vs. empty space, money vs. empty space, hmmmm... :)
I trust your judjement and believe that you probably had very little choice,
I know whose side you're in.
However, I think next year I will make suggestions to the vendors that may
result in increased sales for them.
I would second and encourage suggestions to vendors about both merchandise
and pricing.
Overall the pricing of stuff at the VCF is reasonable, with the occasional
exception from particularly hard-headed sellers, as well as the occasional
bargain. But like with anything, haggling skills are useful.
Not with that guy :(
Some of the best deals were at the consignment table, which unfortunately
wasn't as organized as last year's. I plan to improve this considerably
next year and get even more stuff there. The consignment section actually
is a haggle zone. The prices you see on the items are not absolutely set,
and are usually low to begin with.
I lokked very hard at the 1501 nice machine and very attractively priced but
I already have 2 1500 and didn't want to deprive someone else from the joys
of ownership.
I loved the VCF and hope to be able to make it to many more.
Last but not least and I guess you probably don't hear it often enough
THANK YOU for starting a series of events that I hope will gain momentum.
Vive les VCFs
Francois
Sellam International Man of Intrigue and
Danger
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Looking for a six in a pile of nines...
VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1
San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California
See http://www.vintage.org for details!
13 Oct
13 Oct
5:51 a.m.
>> >Let's see, how would you name a
meeting where several buyers went
>> >home with new toys at acceptable prices (a TRS 80 M1 with expansion
>> >box, printer and all dust covers (!) at USD 30 isn't realy overpriced)
>> >and some pricepushing dealer went home with their entire stock ?
>> I just Wish I could have seen his face when he was packing his stuff back.
>> I hope he swore to never make it back.
>I don't think that my prices were THAT bad! We made a lot of people
>happy, got rid of a few boxes of old class handout reprints from Dr.
>Dobbs, and found homes for a few items (PCJrs, Portfolio, etc.). At the
>end of the day, I sold my entire remaining stock that I had brought down
>to a colleague who is starting a collection (OSI, N*'s, Compupro, etc) for
>a preset price. He still owes me one more pizza.
The seller I was refering to had the biggest booth of
all and the most
inflated prices I have ever seen. For reference the name started with
"Computer" and ended in "Jones", That's the guy who didn't
want to sell at
the VCF. I don't know where he comes from but I have never ever ever seen a
dealer in used "crap" refusing to bargain. And that really pissed me off
(here you go Sellam another example of where cussing IS appropriate). That's
the dude I hope had to take his load back home. He's a buisness and should
know better. If he wants "ebay prices" (TM) for his stuff, he should sell on
ebay or out of his store or whaterver hole in the wall he normally operates
from. A hobby meeting is for hobbyists where you unload stuff you don't want
anymore and sell at a reasonable price so you're not out of pocket. If a
business wants to participate, they should undrstand the spirit of the event
and be willing to play by the rules.
Computer Jones is somewhat odd, but it's still possible to get a
decent deal. He just puts up a completely different scale of
values. And he did sell a lot during the weekend.
Beside that, it's also people like him, who're just in the game
for the cash, who save unusual stuff (temporarly) from the
dumpster. His motivation may be alien and 'evil' to us, but in
the end it turns out to do good - and the result is all to be
counted.
Gruss
H.
--
VCF Europa 2.0 am 28./29. April 2001 in Muenchen
http://www.vintage.org/vcfe
http://www.homecomputer.de/vcfe
14 Oct
14 Oct
3:43 p.m.
I gues that was not you I had in mind, after all I
bought your portfolio
which in my opinion was rightly priced for the content. (did you ever find
that parallel port?)
YES!
I found it last night. Should I snail-mail it to you?
--
Fred Cisin cisin(a)xenosoft.com
XenoSoft http://www.xenosoft.com
PO Box 1236 (510) 558-9366
Berkeley, CA 94701-1236
15 Oct
15 Oct
7:48 a.m.
New subject: APOLOGY:Re: A LART is needed (was: VCF 4.0)
Sorry
That should have been private.
Just trying to complete a set that I sold.
--
Fred Cisin cisin(a)xenosoft.com
XenoSoft http://www.xenosoft.com
PO Box 1236 (510) 558-9366
Berkeley, CA 94701-1236
On Sat, 14 Oct 2000, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
I gues that
was not you I had in mind, after all I bought your portfolio
which in my opinion was rightly priced for the content. (did you ever find
that parallel port?)
YES!
I found it last night. Should I snail-mail it to you?
--
Fred Cisin cisin(a)xenosoft.com
XenoSoft http://www.xenosoft.com
PO Box 1236 (510) 558-9366
Berkeley, CA 94701-1236
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