23 Oct
2010
23 Oct
'10
10:07 a.m.
A friend has found that he has an Apple IIa with two Apple disk drives. I
know nothing about Apple machines and would like to tell him if this is
something relatively rare or still quite common. I know I asked a similar
question a while ago for another friend but I have been unable to find the
email in the archives so I don't know if I am asking about the same model
again this time. Any information appreciated
Thanks
Rob
23 Oct
23 Oct
11:11 a.m.
A friend has found that he has an Apple IIa with two
Apple disk drives. I
know nothing about Apple machines and would like to tell him if this is
something relatively rare or still quite common. I know I asked a similar
question a while ago for another friend but I have been unable to find the
email in the archives so I don't know if I am asking about the same model
again this time. Any information appreciated
II*a*? Not II*e* or II*c*?
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11:40 a.m.
That is definitely what he said, IIa.
Regards
Rob
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A friend has found that he has an Apple IIa with
two Apple disk
drives. I know nothing about Apple machines and would like to tell him
if this is something relatively rare or still quite common. I know I
asked a similar question a while ago for another friend but I have
been unable to find the email in the archives so I don't know if I am
asking about the same model again this time. Any information
appreciated
II*a*? Not II*e* or II*c*?
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--- On Sat, 10/23/10, Rob Jarratt <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> wrote:
That is definitely what he said,
IIa.
Regards
Rob
He is probably thinking of a II+. There is no such machine as the IIa. There was, however,
the II, II+, IIc, IIe, and the IIgs.
A true, original II (no plus) is pretty valuable, in that it's the first of the line,
and they're fairly rare. The II+, which has the exact same case, motherboard
(different ROMs), etc - but with a badge reading "Apple ][ Plus", is a very
common machine, but is generally harder to find than the IIe.
The IIe comes in two flavors - beige and "platinum". The platinum version has a
numeric keypad. Both of these machines are EXTREMELY common - at one point just about
every school had forty of these things. They're worth about ten bucks.
The IIc is a small, compact machine with a built-in floppy drive. It's very common as
well.
The IIgs is a 16 bit machine, and is a box with a detached ADB keyboard. These are very
common too, and usually not worth anything unless they've got some third-party
upgrades like an accellerator, a SCSI controller, or something like that.
You may, however, have some kind of clone machine - there were lots - and they usually
looked just like the real thing. Those are interesting to people that are in to that sort
of thing.
The Apple II series was and still is very popular. There are lots of people out there,
such as myself, that still regularly tinker and hack on these machines, building hardware
and writing software. If you have a good clean working machine, you should have no problem
finding a home for it. Apple II's without school names engraved into them are nice to
find :)
-Ian
12:38 p.m.
I have told him there is no such thing as a IIa (unless it is some sort of
clone). I have asked him to check again and I have also asked him for a
picture of the machine.
Thanks
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Mr Ian Primus
Sent: 23 October 2010 17:00
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: RE: Apple IIa
--- On Sat, 10/23/10, Rob Jarratt <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> wrote:
There
That is definitely what he said,
IIa.
Regards
Rob
He is probably thinking of a II+. There is no such machine as the IIa. was, however, the II, II+, IIc, IIe, and the IIgs.
A true, original II (no plus) is pretty valuable, in that it's the first
of the
line,
and they're fairly rare. The II+, which has the
exact same case,
motherboard
(different ROMs), etc - but with a badge reading
"Apple ][ Plus", is a
very
common machine, but is generally harder to find than
the IIe.
The IIe comes in two flavors - beige and "platinum". The platinum version
has
a numeric keypad. Both of these machines are EXTREMELY
common - at one
point just about every school had forty of these things. They're worth
about
ten bucks.
The IIc is a small, compact machine with a built-in floppy drive. It's
very
common as well.
The IIgs is a 16 bit machine, and is a box with a detached ADB keyboard.
These are very common too, and usually not worth anything unless they've
got some third-party upgrades like an accellerator, a SCSI controller, or
something like that.
You may, however, have some kind of clone machine - there were lots - and
they usually looked just like the real thing. Those are interesting to
people
that are in to that sort of thing.
The Apple II series was and still is very popular. There are lots of
people out
there, such as myself, that still regularly tinker and
hack on these
machines,
building hardware and writing software. If you have a
good clean working
machine, you should have no problem finding a home for it. Apple II's
without school names engraved into them are nice to find :)
-Ian
5:19 p.m.
He sent me a picture and I think it is a IIe (it look like a "c" with a dot
in the centre to make it into an "e"). I have suggested that, even if it is
common, he should keep it and get it working because old computers are
always interesting, no matter how common they are. There are no school names
written on this machine that I can see from the pictures. It has two floppy
drives.
Regards
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Rob Jarratt
Sent: 23 October 2010 17:39
To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
Subject: RE: Apple IIa
I have told him there is no such thing as a IIa (unless it is some sort of
clone).
I
have asked him to check again and I have also asked
him for a picture of
the
machine.
Thanks
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Mr Ian Primus
Sent: 23 October 2010 17:00
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: RE: Apple IIa
--- On Sat, 10/23/10, Rob Jarratt <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> wrote:
There
That is definitely what he said,
IIa.
Regards
Rob
He is probably thinking of a II+. There is no such machine as the IIa. was, however, the II, II+, IIc, IIe, and the
IIgs.
A true, original II (no plus) is pretty valuable, in that it's the
first
of the line,
and they're fairly rare. The II+, which has
the exact same case,
motherboard
(different ROMs), etc - but with a badge reading
"Apple ][ Plus", is a
very
common machine, but is generally harder to find
than the IIe.
The IIe comes in two flavors - beige and "platinum". The platinum
version
has
a numeric keypad. Both of these machines are
EXTREMELY common - at
one
point just about every school had forty of these
things. They're worth
about
ten bucks.
The IIc is a small, compact machine with a built-in floppy drive. It's
very
common as well.
The IIgs is a 16 bit machine, and is a box with a detached ADB keyboard.
These are very common too, and usually not worth anything unless
they've got some third-party upgrades like an accellerator, a SCSI
controller, or something like that.
You may, however, have some kind of clone machine - there were lots -
and they usually looked just like the real thing. Those are
interesting to
people
that are in to that sort of thing.
The Apple II series was and still is very popular. There are lots of
people out
there, such as myself, that still regularly
tinker and hack on these
machines,
> building hardware and writing software. If you have a good clean
> working machine, you should have no problem finding a home for it.
> Apple II's without school names engraved into them are nice to find :)
>
> -Ian 
5:26 p.m.
From: robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com
I have told him there is no such thing as a IIa (unless it is some sort of
clone). I have asked him to check again and I have also asked him for a
picture of the machine.
Hi Rob
My money is on the IIe. I just went in and checked mine. One
could easily mistake the stylized e of the IIe for an a. I've even
seen IIes listed on ebay as IIas.
The value with drives and no broken keys is usually around $35 to $45.
higher if working with extra RAM.
If it had some particularly interesting boards it might be worth more.
As an example, a Swyftcard alone might be worth a couple hundred or
so.
Even if it is not working and not of great value, he should find a home for
it. Just because it has no high value, it is still a clasic machine.
Dwight
7:17 p.m.
Hi Rob
My money is on the IIe. I just went in and checked mine. One could easily
mistake the stylized e of the IIe for an a. I've even seen IIes listed on
ebay
as
IIas.
Indeed this is what seems to have happened. He sent me pictures and it
looked like an e to me.
The value with drives and no broken keys is usually
around $35 to $45.
higher if working with extra RAM.
If it had some particularly interesting boards it might be worth more.
As an example, a Swyftcard alone might be worth a couple hundred or so.
Even if it is not working and not of great value, he should find a home
for it.
Just because it has no high value, it is still a
clasic machine.
Dwight
=
Right. I have suggested he keep it and get it working, regardless of value.
Regards
Rob
12:47 p.m.
The IIgs is a 16 bit machine, and is a box with a
detached ADB keyboard.
These are very common too, and usually not worth anything unless they've got
some third-party upgrades like an accellerator, a SCSI controller, or
something like that.
The GS is my favourite Apple II -- they really are wonderful computers and
it's a shame Apple hobbled them to avoid stealing Mac sales. With a
Transwarp, SCSI HD, GS/OS and Marinetti, it makes a surprisingly useful
little system.
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1:34 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cameron Kaiser" <spectre at floodgap.com>
To: <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: Apple IIa
Sure if you spent more then the cost of a mac to get all those upgrades when
new. I like my IIgs and have one setup like the one you mentioned without
the Marinetti (TCP/IP stack, will try it). Even the base units with RAM
expansion are decent for old IIgs games, or Apple II games. I just never
wanted the older II's even when offered a II+ locally for free.
The IIgs is a
16 bit machine, and is a box with a detached ADB keyboard.
These are very common too, and usually not worth anything unless they've
got
some third-party upgrades like an accellerator, a SCSI controller, or
something like that.
The GS is my favourite Apple II -- they really are wonderful computers and
it's a shame Apple hobbled them to avoid stealing Mac sales. With a
Transwarp, SCSI HD, GS/OS and Marinetti, it makes a surprisingly useful
little system.
1:40 p.m.
The IIgs is a 16 bit machine, and is a box with a
detached ADB keyboard.
These are very common too, and usually not worth anything unless they've
got
some third-party upgrades like an accellerator, a SCSI controller, or
something like that.
The GS is my favourite Apple II -- they really are wonderful computers and
it's a shame Apple hobbled them to avoid stealing Mac sales. With a
Transwarp, SCSI HD, GS/OS and Marinetti, it makes a surprisingly useful
little system.
2:03 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cameron Kaiser" <spectre at floodgap.com>
To: <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: Apple IIa
Sure if you spent more then the cost of a mac to get all those upgrades
when
new. I like my IIgs and have one setup like the one you mentioned without
the Marinetti (TCP/IP stack, will try it). Even the base units with RAM
expansion are decent for old IIgs games, or Apple II games. I just never
wanted the older II's even when offered a II+ locally for free.
OMG MY HOBBY IS IMPRACTICAL MY WORLD IS RUINED
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;-)
Just saying Apple pretty much killed the IIgs by making it so expensive
compared to the mac line when you factor in accessories to speed it up. Yes
I seen the smiley face.
The IIc+ I think was the last of the II line with a built in CPU accelerator
and 3.5" DD floppy drive.
The IIgs is a
16 bit machine, and is a box with a detached ADB
keyboard.
These are very common too, and usually not worth anything unless
they've
got
some third-party upgrades like an accellerator, a SCSI controller, or
something like that.
The GS is my favourite Apple II -- they really are wonderful computers
and
it's a shame Apple hobbled them to avoid stealing Mac sales. With a
Transwarp, SCSI HD, GS/OS and Marinetti, it makes a surprisingly useful
little system. 
1:10 p.m.
A couple things are missing here. One is the IIc+ (3.5" floppy), and
the other is that there are at least two flavors of the IIgs (ROM 1
and ROM 3, hopefully someone can fill in better details on that).
I have quite a few Apple II's, but lack a II, IIc+ (had a chance
once, but wasn't willing to pay the $$$'s), and a ROM3. Then there
is the model of Mac LC with the Apple II card.
Maybe this winter I can make some progress on getting an Apple IIe
back up and running...
Zane
At 9:00 AM -0700 10/23/10, Mr Ian Primus wrote:
He is probably thinking of a II+. There is no such
machine as the
IIa. There was, however, the II, II+, IIc, IIe, and the IIgs.
A true, original II (no plus) is pretty valuable, in that it's the
first of the line, and they're fairly rare. The II+, which has the
exact same case, motherboard (different ROMs), etc - but with a
badge reading "Apple ][ Plus", is a very common machine, but is
generally harder to find than the IIe.
The IIe comes in two flavors - beige and "platinum". The platinum
version has a numeric keypad. Both of these machines are EXTREMELY
common - at one point just about every school had forty of these
things. They're worth about ten bucks.
The IIc is a small, compact machine with a built-in floppy drive.
It's very common as well.
The IIgs is a 16 bit machine, and is a box with a detached ADB
keyboard. These are very common too, and usually not worth anything
unless they've got some third-party upgrades like an accellerator, a
SCSI controller, or something like that.
You may, however, have some kind of clone machine - there were lots
- and they usually looked just like the real thing. Those are
interesting to people that are in to that sort of thing.
The Apple II series was and still is very popular. There are lots of
people out there, such as myself, that still regularly tinker and
hack on these machines, building hardware and writing software. If
you have a good clean working machine, you should have no problem
finding a home for it. Apple II's without school names engraved into
them are nice to find :)
-Ian
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1:33 p.m.
On 10/23/10 9:00 AM, Mr Ian Primus wrote:
The IIe comes in two flavors - beige and "platinum". The platinum version has a
numeric keypad. Both of these machines are EXTREMELY common - at one point just about
every school had forty of these things. They're worth about ten bucks.
Actually there is the IIe, Enhanced IIe, and Platinum. The Enhanced used
a 65C02 with a few more instructions and became IIc software compatible.
The Platinum was really just an Enhanced IIe with a better case and
keypad. If you look in a IIe and see a 65C02 its "Enhanced" even if it
doesn't have the sticker on the power light.
The IIc is a small, compact machine with a built-in
floppy drive. It's very common as well.
Someone mentioned the IIc+ in another
post but, there were also several
ROM versions of the IIc as well. The later ROM versions allowed the use
of unidisk 3.5" drives and changed the way memory expansions worked.
The IIgs is a 16 bit machine, and is a box with a
detached ADB keyboard. These are very common too, and usually not worth anything unless
they've got some third-party upgrades like an accellerator, a SCSI controller, or
something like that.
The ROM 03 Versions sell for a bit and there is a
"Woz" signed case
version that people like to think is rare but, isn't.
1:42 p.m.
The ROM 03 Versions sell for a bit and there is a
"Woz" signed case
version that people like to think is rare but, isn't.
Heck, I'd say the case is more valuable than the computer (marginally). I
just took the lid off a Woz and stuck it on my ROM 03. Presto. ROM 03 is
much more useful than ROM 00.
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2:27 p.m.
--- On Sat, 10/23/10, leaknoil <leaknoil at gmail.com> wrote:
Actually there is the IIe, Enhanced IIe, and Platinum.
The
Enhanced used a 65C02 with a few more instructions and
became IIc software compatible. The Platinum was really just
an Enhanced IIe with a better case and keypad. If you look
in a IIe and see a 65C02 its "Enhanced" even if it doesn't
have the sticker on the power light.
Yup. And a lot of machines were "Enhanced" without the official upgrade - just
burn new ROMs and replace the processor. Much cheaper than the Apple upgrade kit. And then
there are the other obscure versions of the IIe - the real early ones came in a case with
the "velcro" closure just like the II+. Then the various european versions, etc.
I didn't intend to post a be-all end-all guide to every II version - just an overview.
I also didn't mention the Bell and Howell II+, or the other mainboard revisions of the
II+.
The ROM 03 Versions sell for a bit and there is a
"Woz"
signed case version that people like to think is rare but,
isn't.
And, of course, if you're going for completionist - there is the IIgs upgrade to the
IIe. It was a Rom 1 logic board with a replacement lower housing for a IIe that used the
IIe's keyboard and plastic case. Also had a replacement badge for the cover to make it
say IIgs.
:)
-Ian
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