23 Jan
2001
23 Jan
'01
4:38 a.m.
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 08:57:30 -0800
From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com>
Subject: Re: Intel ???? rescued, weekend finds
This is "The ICEBox" an in-circuit emulator for Intel
processors. It is a
great way to bring up new designs and defeat copy protection
schemes :-)
I've got a similar beast manufactured by Amtron. It's a 386PC with a
specialized interface card that you plug these bloody huge and heavy boxes
into that you must piggyback over a CPU or something. It came with pods for
8086, 8088, 286, 386SX, 386DX, 486 and 68K chips. Haven't powered it up yet,
and some of the pods have never been taken out of their rather large boxes.
No docs though.
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:17:44 -0500
From: Jeff Hellige <jhellige(a)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Machines I'm looking for...
According to an ex-Commodore engineer I used to correspond
with, they were one and the same thing, as Commodore never did
Have you still got his details? Could you ask him about the European P500?
:)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 23:02:00 -0500
From: Gene Ehrich <gehrich(a)tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: TI Expansion Unit
I have the following that I am selling for an acquaintance.
Let me know if you know anyone who is interested.
Texas Instruments Home Computer Peripheral Expansion System
Model No. PHP1200 in Original Box
Never used
<puts hand up>. I'm interested but I guess I'm in the wrong country :(
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 23:40:04 -0500 (EST)
From: "r. 'bear' stricklin" <red(a)bears.org>
Subject: Re: Windes ME
And the N9000 Communicator uses a pair of 80386 CPUs. The 9110 uses an
80486. I know, I was there. (:
Does it? Ooo - I've got a 9110 right next to me ATM, but it looks a bit dead
:(
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 23:26:14 -0700
From: "Mark Gregory" <gregorym(a)cadvision.com>
Subject: applicationDEC 433MP
- - the machine has 2 memory boards, which give a maximum of
32 megs of ECC
RAM, with 40 x 1 meg SIMMs. Can the system use more than 2
memory boards, to
go to 64 megs? Or can the 1 meg SIMMs be replaced by 4 meg SIMMs?
These things top out at 16mb and only report 14mb available......
there any OSes that could use 4 processors at a time?
Is it
worth hunting down two extra CPU cards?
The only OS to use the dual CPU was a SMP version of SCO U**x 3.x, but I
could never see the point of a dual CPU machine with so little RAM
available!
- - there's a TZK10-AA tape drive in the system.
What tape
cartridges does this drive use?
Off the top of my head I can't remember, so I'll go downstairs and get the
DEC bumf for it.
engineered, but I had never heard of them before I
found this
one, and the
MicroPDP-11 that I got with it ... but that's another story.
We only ever sold 1 (the mini version) to a local college to run some
financials on, we used one internally for SCO development (ack - what a
terrible OS), another one ended up with NT on it as a server and it ended
its days as a humble fax server - the other one ended up with Winduhs 95 on
running as a Quake server :o))
I think they were eclipsed 'cos that was around the time the PC market
started exploding.....
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 01:16:55 -0700
From: "Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com>
Subject: Re: KIM-1 restoration advice sought
switch matrix to match what's on the KIM. I've built memory
circuits, etc,
for the KIM, but never paid much attention to the KIM itself,
hence, I can't
remember anything specific about the keypad, except that it
Do you know anything about memory modules for the KIM made by "The
Computerist"? My Kim's got one and I was told it's also an EPROM blower....
Ross:
Thanks for the offer, but unfortunately I don't
think it
has anything like standard parts. Everything about it looks
custom-molded to fit the
unusual key shape (curved keytops with painted legends and
smoothly-rounded key edges), unusual key layout (slide switch
+ two independent buttons and 3 x 7 matrix of scanned buttons).
The way it's put together suggests to me a very well-designed
custom keypad that would only make sense if sold in the
thousands.
Of course, as always, I could be wrong. :)
I think that the keypad for the KIM is actually from one of the CBM
calculators of the day since they'll have had one or two lying around!
Certainly from a looks point of view its identical to the keypad on one of
my non-scientific calcs from around '76/'77, both layout and power switch
are the same.
Back on me head :o)
--
Adrian Graham MCSE/ASE/MCP
C CAT Limited
Gubbins: http://www.ccat.co.uk (work)
<http://www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk> (home)
<http://www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk> (The Online Computer Museum)
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23 Jan
5:06 a.m.
New subject: Free windaq data I/O thingy
This is off topic, but I am guessing a few of you will like it, maybe US
only I don't know.
<http://www.dataq.com/edn>
Fill out a short form, business addresses only, and they ship you a free
serial port based I/O module, looks like both analog and digital stuff plus
their windows based software package. Looks like fun to me.
10:07 a.m.
New subject: Looking for Acorn Electron Plus 3 or Plus 4 add-on (what is a Plus 2?)
I'm trying to find a Plus 3 or Plus 4 add-on for my Electron if anyone has
one to sell.
Also, what was the Plus 2 unit? I know that:
Plus 1 = Serial, joystick, and ROM cartridge port.
Plus 2 = ?
Plus 3 = 3.5 inch drive
Plus 4 = 5.25 inch drive
Were there others?
Ernest
11:11 a.m.
I don't know much about the KIM, though a couple of my friends had them back
in the '70's.
At one time, I had a LARGE number of KIM-2 and a few KIM-3 boards, which
were scrap, made by a local PC house with MOS Technology's tradmark. These
were 4K and 8K, respectively, in size and were SRAMs with on-board power
supply regulation. Though they had the KIM bus connector and were more or
less the size of the KIM-1, they didn't seem to align with the connectors on
the KIM-1, suggesting that the bus connector on the KIM-4 (the expansion
backplane, which I've never seen, was more or less in the center of the
board and would have aligned between the two connectors on the KIM-1. I
saved one of each of these boards, though I've not seen them for several
years, having promised them to one of the KIM users on this list. I may
well have tossed them in a moment of madness due to frustration over my poor
housekeeping ... who knows? ... One of these days I may find them again.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Graham" <agraham(a)ccat.co.uk>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 3:38 AM
Subject: ICEbox, AppDEC, KIM, Communicator
for
Date: Mon, 22
Jan 2001 08:57:30 -0800
From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com>
Subject: Re: Intel ???? rescued, weekend finds
This is "The ICEBox" an in-circuit emulator for Intel
processors. It is a
great way to bring up new designs and defeat copy protection
schemes :-)
I've got a similar beast manufactured by Amtron. It's a 386PC with a
specialized interface card that you plug these bloody huge and heavy boxes
into that you must piggyback over a CPU or something. It came with pods 8086, 8088, 286, 386SX, 386DX, 486 and 68K chips.
Haven't powered it up
yet,
and some of the pods have never been taken out of
their rather large
boxes.
No docs though.
dead
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:17:44 -0500
From: Jeff Hellige <jhellige(a)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Machines I'm looking for...
According to an ex-Commodore engineer I used to correspond
with, they were one and the same thing, as Commodore never did
Have you still got his details? Could you ask him about the European P500?
:)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 23:02:00 -0500
From: Gene Ehrich <gehrich(a)tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: TI Expansion Unit
I have the following that I am selling for an acquaintance.
Let me know if you know anyone who is interested.
Texas Instruments Home Computer Peripheral Expansion System
Model No. PHP1200 in Original Box
Never used
<puts hand up>. I'm interested but I guess I'm in the wrong country :(
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 23:40:04 -0500 (EST)
From: "r. 'bear' stricklin" <red(a)bears.org>
Subject: Re: Windes ME
And the N9000 Communicator uses a pair of 80386 CPUs. The 9110 uses an
80486. I know, I was there. (:
Does it? Ooo - I've got a 9110 right next to me ATM, but it looks a bit :(
on
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 23:26:14 -0700
From: "Mark Gregory" <gregorym(a)cadvision.com>
Subject: applicationDEC 433MP
- - the machine has 2 memory boards, which give a maximum of
32 megs of ECC
RAM, with 40 x 1 meg SIMMs. Can the system use more than 2
memory boards, to
go to 64 megs? Or can the 1 meg SIMMs be replaced by 4 meg SIMMs?
These things top out at 16mb and only report 14mb available......
there any OSes that could use 4 processors at a
time? Is it
worth hunting down two extra CPU cards?
The only OS to use the dual CPU was a SMP version of SCO U**x 3.x, but I
could never see the point of a dual CPU machine with so little RAM
available!
- - there's a TZK10-AA tape drive in the
system. What tape
cartridges does this drive use?
Off the top of my head I can't remember, so I'll go downstairs and get the
DEC bumf for it.
engineered, but I had never heard of them before
I found this
one, and the
MicroPDP-11 that I got with it ... but that's another story.
We only ever sold 1 (the mini version) to a local college to run some
financials on, we used one internally for SCO development (ack - what a
terrible OS), another one ended up with NT on it as a server and it ended
its days as a humble fax server - the other one ended up with Winduhs 95 running as a Quake server :o))
I think they were eclipsed 'cos that was around the time the PC market
started exploding.....
blower....
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 01:16:55 -0700
From: "Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com>
Subject: Re: KIM-1 restoration advice sought
switch matrix to match what's on the KIM. I've built memory
circuits, etc,
for the KIM, but never paid much attention to the KIM itself,
hence, I can't
remember anything specific about the keypad, except that it
Do you know anything about memory modules for the KIM made by "The
Computerist"? My Kim's got one and I was told it's also an EPROM
Ross:
Thanks for the offer, but unfortunately I
don't think it
has anything like standard parts. Everything about it looks
custom-molded to fit the
unusual key shape (curved keytops with painted legends and
smoothly-rounded key edges), unusual key layout (slide switch
+ two independent buttons and 3 x 7 matrix of scanned buttons).
The way it's put together suggests to me a very well-designed
custom keypad that would only make sense if sold in the
thousands.
Of course, as always, I could be wrong. :)
I think that the keypad for the KIM is actually from one of the CBM
calculators of the day since they'll have had one or two lying around!
Certainly from a looks point of view its identical to the keypad on one of
my non-scientific calcs from around '76/'77, both layout and power switch
are the same.
Back on me head :o)
--
Adrian Graham MCSE/ASE/MCP
C CAT Limited
Gubbins: http://www.ccat.co.uk (work)
<http://www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk> (home)
<http://www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk> (The Online Computer Museum)
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