3 Apr
2002
3 Apr
'02
1:47 a.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne M. Smith [mailto:wmsmith@earthlink.net]
> that
enable others to engage in mass distribution.
Doesn't it make as much sense
to go after those involved in "mass
distribution"
> > of the circumvention device, such as DeCSS? Owning the
equipment to comit a crime (especially if that
equipment has
> legitimate uses) is not (or at least should not) be equivalent to
> comitting that crime. I don't diagree with you, but read again what I
said --
"distribution" not "ownership."
To punish someone for distributing equipment which could be used to
commit a crime is just as ludicrous. It does not matter whether the
alleged crime involves a computer or not. You don't punish people
for selling rat poison, kitchen utensils, notebook paper, or
photocopiers, do you?
What about panty-hose and ski-masks -- I hear those are used in crime
a lot! :) When will we have the digital millennium hosiery act?
It would be absolutely idiotic to punish someone for distributing
software which _might_ be used to illegally copy things to some other
media.
You may as well put Fred in jail for Xenocopy, in fact ;)
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl
Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
2 Apr
2 Apr
8:31 p.m.
On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Christopher Smith wrote:
You may as well put Fred in jail for Xenocopy, in fact
;)
DOWN WITH FRED! EVIL PURVEYOR OF ILLEGAL TOOLS OF CRIME!!! FIE! FIE!
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3 Apr
3 Apr
5:01 a.m.
On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Christopher Smith wrote:
> You may as well put Fred in jail for Xenocopy, in fact ;)
On Wed, 3 Apr 2002,
Sellam Ismail wrote:
DOWN WITH FRED! EVIL PURVEYOR OF ILLEGAL TOOLS OF
CRIME!!! FIE! FIE!
You'd better start worrying about, if and when they come and take
me away, whether I might tell them who I supplied stuff to.
Twenty years ago, when I wrote the first versions of XenoCopy, I thought
that it would make sense to make contact with some of the OEMs at trade
shows to make sure that I got accurate information about their formats.
At NCC (which was once the biggest show in the US, soon thereafter passed
by by Comdex), booth staff at several manufacturers were incapable of
imagining ANY possible use of disk format conversion other than the making
of unauthorized copies of their proprietary software. In fact,
representatives of TWO companies threatened to sue me if I included their
disk formats!
Although I was out of town, and staying in a hotel room, I stayed up late
that night to make sure that theirs were the very next formats that I
added.
But neither company kept their promise of providing me with massive free
publicity.
The two companies were:
Intertec (Superbrain)
Televideo
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
2:48 p.m.
--- Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> wrote:
On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Christopher Smith wrote:
Fire up the molten iron vats!
-ethan
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You may as well put Fred in jail for Xenocopy, in
fact ;)
DOWN WITH FRED! EVIL PURVEYOR OF ILLEGAL TOOLS OF CRIME!!! FIE! FIE! 
3:21 p.m.
Ethan Dicks wrote:
Hmm Tar and Feathers must have gone out of style. :)
Ben Franchuk - Dawn * 12/24 bit cpu *
www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html
DOWN WITH
FRED! EVIL PURVEYOR OF ILLEGAL TOOLS OF CRIME!!! FIE! FIE!
Fire up the molten iron vats! 
2:43 a.m.
New subject: CARP Tariff and The Future End of Classic Computing
On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Christopher Smith wrote:
-----Original
Message-----
From: Wayne M. Smith [mailto:wmsmith@earthlink.net]
> > > that enable others to engage in mass distribution.
> Doesn't it make as much sense to go after those involved in "mass
> distribution"
> > > of the circumvention device, such as DeCSS? You may as well put Fred in jail for Xenocopy, in fact
;)
They probably will, very soon. :(
Joe Rigdon's forwarded piece concerning CARP's hijacking of the
internet radio broadcasters is a case VERY relevant to this discussion.
(CARP is the Copyright Arbitration Royalty Panel) As has been pointed
out, all the activities the DMCA was advertised as targetting were
already illegal. Legislating enforcement of existing legislation is
currently very popular in the US, but it has _never_ been effective.
Duh....
What the DMCA has really accomplished is to put much of the authority
to administer copyright law into the hands of beurocratic agencies.
Agencies who are not accountable to, or easily accessible by, the
general voting public. Not coincidentally, they are also much easier to
bribe^H^H^H^H influence by lobbying.
Doc
10:08 p.m.
New subject: When programming is outlawed, only outlaws will program
On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Doc wrote:
Did John Draper write "Easy Writer" WHILE he was in jail?
Now, that's the story he told me ... or well, at least
what my memory tells me he said. I'm geting old.
Gruss
H.
--
VCF Europa 3.0 am 27./28. April 2002 in Muenchen
http://www.vcfe.org/
You may
as well put Fred in jail for Xenocopy, in fact ;)
They probably will, very soon.
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