3 Apr
2011
3 Apr
'11
8:07 p.m.
Can't say anything other then it's in my car. It'll be the second
"plotter" I've picked up for little or nothing (I was actually a good 10
miles from "ground zero" before I realized this thing is just a big ink jet
printer, not a plotter). Anyway it should be good for making large format schematics and
whatnot. Doesn't everybody love those?
Anyone w/docs or drivers please contact me. Perhaps offlist.
4 Apr
4 Apr
2:24 a.m.
New subject: probably OT, but still cool: found an HP large format printer on the road
do you know what the model number is
On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 5:07 PM, Chris M <chrism3667 at yahoo.com> wrote:
Can't say anything other then it's in my car.
It'll be the second "plotter"
I've picked up for little or nothing (I was actually a good 10 miles from
"ground zero" before I realized this thing is just a big ink jet printer,
not a plotter). Anyway it should be good for making large format schematics
and whatnot. Doesn't everybody love those?
Anyone w/docs or drivers please contact me. Perhaps offlist.
3:46 p.m.
I'll have to check the specifics. But it looks exactly like this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/HP-C4713A-24-LARGE-FORMAT-PRINTER-/310285910290?pt=LH_D…
by the way what religion are you? If you're an atheist, you'd better not e-mail me
anymore. My mommy will be sooo mad!
--- On Mon, 4/4/11, Chris Halarewich <halarewich at gmail.com> wrote:
do you know what the model number is
5 Apr
5 Apr
9:39 p.m.
New subject: probably OT, but still cool: found an HP large format printer on the road
On 4/4/11 3:46 PM, Chris M wrote:
I'll have to check the specifics. But it looks
exactly like this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/HP-C4713A-24-LARGE-FORMAT-PRINTER-/310285910290?pt=LH_D…
Ahh, a DesignJet 430-ish machine, a little baby one. :) They're
really nice printers. They typically go for $300-700 or so. Damn fine
score to find one for free. Let us know if it works. Maybe I'll try to
talk you out of it at some point if I wind up moving back up north.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
10:18 p.m.
New subject: probably OT, but still cool: found an HP large format printeron the road
Ahh, a DesignJet 430-ish machine, a little baby one.
:) They're
really nice printers. They typically go for $300-700 or so. Damn fine
score to find one for free. Let us know if it works. Maybe I'll try to
talk you out of it at some point if I wind up moving back up north.
Lucky guy... :oP
6 Apr
6 Apr
8:42 p.m.
New subject: probably OT, but still cool: found an HP large format printeron the road
--- On Tue, 4/5/11, Alexandre Souza - Listas <pu1bzz.listas at gmail.com> wrote:
not that lucky. It don't do nothing when I plug it in and turn it on :(
I have to make some room before I bring it in the house. I bought a service manual on ebay
and downloaded some pdfs off hp.com.
I was disappointed to find out it only takes paper up to 24". I could have sworn it
could accommodate bigger paper :(. Maybe I could find another one and create a stretch
430!
You're moving back up north. I'm heading west. I can't stand it here any
more. 17 years of mostly misery. Heading for the midwest prolly, west coast eventually if
the economy straitens out (please God).
???Ahh, a
DesignJet 430-ish machine, a little baby one. :)?
They're really nice printers.? They typically go for
$300-700 or so.? Damn fine score to find one for
free.? Let us know if it works.? Maybe I'll try to
talk you out of it at some point if I wind up moving back up
north.
???Lucky guy... :o 
4 Apr
4 Apr
8:33 a.m.
--- On Sun, 4/3/11, Chris M <chrism3667 at yahoo.com> wrote:
Can't say anything other then it's in
my car. It'll be the second "plotter" I've picked up for
little or nothing (I was actually a good 10 miles from
"ground zero" before I realized this thing is just a big ink
jet printer, not a plotter). Anyway it should be good for
making large format schematics and whatnot. Doesn't
everybody love those?
Anyone w/docs or drivers please contact me. Perhaps
offlist.
Yeah, they switched from proper pen plotters to "giant inkjets" a long time ago.
In fact, I can't remember the last time I saw a pen plotter in service.
I've fixed a lot of those HP inkjet plotters. I've probably even got the service
manual for it. What model is it?
Usual inkjet caveats apply, but common failures for the big machines are the drive belt
(long toothed belt that allows the printer to move the head back and forth), and the metal
rails the head rides on getting gummed up. Clean them with alcohol if you're getting
odd faults that halt printing.
There is also this little optical strip that lets the printer know where the head is. If
fuzz gets in this sensor, it can also cause unusual faults.
-Ian
8:59 a.m.
New subject: probably OT, but still cool: found an HP large format printer on the road
On 4/3/11 8:07 PM, Chris M wrote:
Can't say anything other then it's in my car.
It'll be the second
"plotter" I've picked up for little or nothing (I was actually a good
10 miles from "ground zero" before I realized this thing is just a
big ink jet printer, not a plotter). Anyway it should be good for
making large format schematics and whatnot. Doesn't everybody love
those? Anyone w/docs or drivers please contact me. Perhaps offlist.
Yes, the architecture/engineering (in the "we make buildings"
context) world uses those a lot. The big inkjets replaced pen plotters
a long time ago, but these guys still call them "plotters" even though
that's not what they are. Yet another case of an industry using tools
that they don't understand, but whatever. I love using them for schematics.
The newer models fetch big bucks (thousands, sometimes more) on the
used market if they work. The older ones typically go for hundreds.
Even parts units typically fetch $100+, so finding one in any condition
for free (or nearly so) is a good score.
I may be able to get some service manuals (a friend owns a company
that maintains dozens of those plotters in the field), but as far as
drivers...they speak Postscript and/or PCL, depending on how they're
configured, and nearly all of them have Ethernet and speak standard
LPR/LPD protocol...one would be hard-pressed to find any OS release from
the past fifteen years that won't handle those natively. These big
inkjets will work with almost anything.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
3:40 p.m.
New subject: probably OT, but still cool: found an HP large format printer on the road
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Yes, the architecture/engineering (in the "we make buildings"
context) world uses those a lot. The big inkjets replaced pen plotters
a long time ago, but these guys still call them "plotters" even though
that's not what they are. Yet another case of an industry using tools
that they don't understand, but whatever. I love using them for
schematics.
The newer models fetch big bucks (thousands, sometimes more) on the
used market if they work. The older ones typically go for hundreds.
Even parts units typically fetch $100+, so finding one in any condition
for free (or nearly so) is a good score.
A few years ago I got a Calcomp 1043GT pen plotter from a guy who had paid $50 for it at a
garage sale, then realized it wouldn't work with anything he had. He finally got
tired of it sitting in his basement and offered it to me - I bought him a beer. :-)
The most modern driver I ever found for it was for Windows 95. There is a ROM cartridge
that one can plug in that will teach it to speak (ISTR) PCL, but I've never found one
- anyone got one? So it talks a proprietary protocol that's quite obscure. I may try
to reverse-engineer it one of these days if I'm ever really really bored.... But it
draws really nice (and really big) pictures, even if I do have to drive it with a creaky
old version of TurboCAD that runs on Win95. -- Ian
11:11 p.m.
New subject: probably OT, but still cool: found an HP large format printer on the road
On 4/4/11 3:40 PM, Ian King wrote:
A few years ago I got a Calcomp 1043GT pen plotter
from a guy who had
paid $50 for it at a garage sale, then realized it wouldn't work with
anything he had. He finally got tired of it sitting in his basement
and offered it to me - I bought him a beer. :-)
The most modern driver I ever found for it was for Windows 95. There
is a ROM cartridge that one can plug in that will teach it to speak
(ISTR) PCL, but I've never found one - anyone got one? So it talks a
proprietary protocol that's quite obscure. I may try to
reverse-engineer it one of these days if I'm ever really really
bored.... But it draws really nice (and really big) pictures, even
if I do have to drive it with a creaky old version of TurboCAD that
runs on Win95. -- Ian
I'd definitely reverse-engineer that, it sounds like a great device!
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
3:56 p.m.
I'm heavy into the plotter scene myself. I have an IBM, uh, forget the model number.
7575 maybe? And though I'm getting rid of so much, this bad boy is one of the very
last things I'm letting go of (from my cold maggot infested dead hands). It's big,
about 5 feet long. I lapsed into deep depression when I realized I didn't have the
carousel, but this nut told me "who needs that?. Just change the pens manually!"
(don't have pens either. He hacks sharpies onto old plotters for masking printed
circuit boards). It's those little details about life that sometimes elude me. Anyway
he made me feel much much betta.
Everything I own is a "plotter" Dave. God, duh. If it plots a course to me
making fun or money, it's a plotter indeed. Are you kidding me???
--- On Mon, 4/4/11, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
<snippage>
2:40 p.m.
New subject: probably OT,
Can't say anything other then it's in my car. It'll be the second
"plotter" I've picked up for little or nothing (I was actually a good 10
miles from "ground zero" before I realized this thing is just a big ink
jet printer, not a plotter). Anyway it should be good for making large
format schematics and whatnot. Doesn't everybody love those?
Anyone w/docs or drivers please contact me. Perhaps offlist.
Do you have the model name/number?
I assuime it's too modern for there to be anything useful on
http://www.hpmuseum.net/
-tony
4:02 p.m.
New subject: probably OT,
--- On Mon, 4/4/11, Tony Duell <ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
I assuime it's too modern for there to be anything
useful
on
http://www.hpmuseum.net/
Yeah it's modern alright. A modern art piece made to produce masterful pieces of
art.
I don't think I ever told anyone this story. When the PowerMacs first came out, I had
this sick idea of buying one (and/or buying/renting a plotter) and opening it up and
drawing schematics for it. Not for the purpose of repairing the thing or anything, Mac
folks are a little weak in the technical dep't. Just to hang it on the wall. I, at the
time, was quite sure I'd be able to retire early. Who thinks that would have been a
viable business model? <chirp chirp...chirp>
I do think I would have been able to pay for the PM itself though. Another opportunity
come and gone. Along w/my exploding Y2K bug.
5:57 p.m.
New subject: probably OT, but still cool: found an HP large format printer on the road
On Sunday 03 April 2011 08:07:44 pm Chris M wrote:
Can't say anything other then it's in my car.
It'll be the second "plotter" I've picked up for little or nothing (I
was actually a good 10 miles from "ground zero" before I realized this thing is
just a big ink jet printer, not a plotter). Anyway it should be good for making large
format schematics and whatnot. Doesn't everybody love those?
Anyone w/docs or drivers please contact me. Perhaps offlist.
I worked on one of those a while back, not terribly successfully. Does that thing use a
big wide roll of paper that hangs on the back? I might have service data, depending on
the exact model...
--
Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and
ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can
be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters"
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Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James
M Dakin
5 Apr
5 Apr
5:43 p.m.
--- On Mon, 4/4/11, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. <rtellason at verizon.net> wrote:
I worked on one of those a while back,? not terribly
successfully.? Does that thing use a big wide roll of
paper that hangs on the back?? I might have service
data,? depending on the exact model
plugged it in, nothing. Designjet 430.
the roll of paper hangs out the front.
I posted a link to a picture of something lookin mainly the same in a previous post.
8:56 p.m.
--- On Wed, 4/6/11, Mr Ian Primus <ian_primus at yahoo.com> wrote:
Well, then it could just be a power supply failure.
Start
with the basics, check the fuse, etc. It's a fairly standard
swtichmode power supply design, IIRC.
-Ian
Right, I will. When I can bring it in the house. Tanks.
10:27 a.m.
New subject: probably OT, but still cool: found an HP large format printer on the road
On 4/5/11 5:43 PM, Chris M wrote:
Toasted power supply. If you can hang onto it, perhaps I'll talk you
out of it at some point. =)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
I worked on
one of those a while back, not terribly
successfully. Does that thing use a big wide roll of
paper that hangs on the back? I might have service
data, depending on the exact model
plugged it in, nothing. Designjet 430.
the roll of paper hangs out the front.
I posted a link to a picture of something lookin mainly the same in a previous post.
8:40 p.m.
New subject: probably OT, but still cool: found an HP large format printer on the road
Chris M wrote:
Can't say anything other then it's in my car.
It'll be the second "plotter" I've picked up for little or nothing (I
was actually a good 10 miles from "ground zero" before I realized this thing is
just a big ink jet printer, not a plotter). Anyway it should be good for making large
format schematics and whatnot. Doesn't everybody love those?
Anyone w/docs or drivers please contact me. Perhaps offlist.
Which one ?
I have a designjet 500ps. It has major ink leakage/spillage... and
cleaning it was a task...
I haven't put more than a few tests through it, so I don't know if the
leaking will come
back (don't know what caused it).
Only problems mine has currently, is I broke the spring loaded 'foot'
(but as mine has
the stand, this is not an issue (I think it is only needed for table top
operation ?) (I
broke it trying to mount the printer back on the stand... not a fun
operation alone)
The other problem is the service station.... on some power ups, it
errors on that unit.
If I power off and back on, it's good. I have not been able to figure
out why it has a
problem... which I could find another, as it was one of the parts hit
worst by the ink
mess.
Mine is a 24" model, but they made 36" models too.
What model is yours ?
-- Curt
9:03 p.m.
--- On Wed, 4/6/11, Curtis H. Wilbar Jr. <rescue at hawkmountain.net> wrote:
Mine is a 24" model, but they made 36"
models too.
What model is yours
24" 430. It can (maybe already has been) upgraded to a 5**c (color capable) by the
addition of a rom-simm. I could swear I saw the color cartridge in it.
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