8 Jul
2004
8 Jul
'04
9:39 a.m.
On Jul 8, 10:11, Rob O'Donnell wrote:
At 22:00 07/07/2004, Pete Turnbull wrote:
>I had a more careful look at the pile of terminal servers and hubs
>today, and found some more "stuff".
My first thought was "well to save it being
scrapped, I'd grab it and
eBay
it" :-) but having just checked selling prices
of 10Mbps hubs ...
it'd
barely be worth it, especially after adding in a 150
mile round trip,
and a
day's work..
I don't want to see this stuff on Ebay. If it was going to make money,
I'd put it in the Christmas fund, or give the equipment to the local
computer recycling project. The reason there are no PCs or other
common items is that they're going to an African charity project.
I don't need them myself, as I've already got
spare 10Mbps hubs, a
terminal
server and a couple of terminals I don't use
[yet]..)
Does nobody use 10Mbps any more?
It's not cool. Everyone thinks they need 100Mbps at least, or
preferably Gigabit. The fact that their PCs mostly can't keep up with
that seems to be immaterial, as is the fact that their web connection
is hardly likey to keep up with the PC. On the other hand, many of our
students in residences love it -- it's 20 times what most of them get
from broadband at home.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
8 Jul
8 Jul
10:10 a.m.
On Thu, 2004-07-08 at 18:39, Pete Turnbull wrote:
Uh huh! Personally I'd find 100Mbit to be handy between a couple of my
modern machines just because I shift a lot of large images around - but
the 10Mbit serves me quite well otherwise.
cheers
Jules
The reason there are no PCs or other
common items is that they're going to an African charity project.
Funny thing is, you'd think that these charity projects need network
hardware too, yet I've not heard of anywhere taking it (and cabling - I
mean, it all adds up). Presumably infrastructure stuff just comes out of
the monetary donations pot.
I believe the laws are changing fairly soon here so that it costs money
to dispose of unwanted computer equipment. I'm not sure how such charity
organisations will be hit when they have to pay to dispose of any bits
which are donated and they find to be unsuitable or non-working.
Does nobody
use 10Mbps any more?
It's not cool. Everyone thinks they need 100Mbps at least, or
preferably Gigabit. The fact that their PCs mostly can't keep up with
that seems to be immaterial, as is the fact that their web connection
is hardly likey to keep up with the PC. 
10:59 a.m.
Pete Turnbull <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com> wrote:
On Jul 8, 10:11, Rob O'Donnell wrote:
When I had trouble doing NFS and scp and FTP writes to the computers
in the workroom from the computers in the living room, I noticed. I
did consider pulling out the thin coax that's been there since 1992
and replacing it with twisted pair; I might notice some performance
improvement from having 100Mb/s media between the rooms. But then I
went to the swap meet and found a US$5 10BaseT hub with a BNC for the
coax. Replacing the hub in the living room was therefore cheaper than
running new cable, easier as well, and it fixed the problem. Very
cool, and 10Mb/s is fast enough to keep me from noticing.
-Frank McConnell
Does nobody use 10Mbps any more?
It's not cool. Everyone thinks they need 100Mbps at least, or
preferably Gigabit. The fact that their PCs mostly can't keep up with
that seems to be immaterial, as is the fact that their web connection
is hardly likey to keep up with the PC. On the other hand, many of our
students in residences love it -- it's 20 times what most of them get
from broadband at home. 
12:09 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank McConnell" <fmc(a)reanimators.org>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: Free stuff (UK) again
Pete Turnbull <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com>
wrote:
A 10Mb/sec hub is great if you just want to network a few older machines
together and don't have allot of concurrent users. I still have one 3com hub
in a box on the shelf here somewhere. I switched to 10/100 because moving
ISO images was too slow, and once you started the network became very laggy
and slow (shared 10Mb/sec). Once you have more then one user , wanted
bi-directional ability, and have machines with HD's that can more then
saturate a 10mbs hub a 100Mb/sec switch is worth the effort of running cat5
wire. Unless your moving lots of mpegs around the network Gigabit ethernet
is a bit overkill these days.
On Jul 8, 10:11, Rob O'Donnell wrote:
When I had trouble doing NFS and scp and FTP writes to the computers
in the workroom from the computers in the living room, I noticed. I
did consider pulling out the thin coax that's been there since 1992
and replacing it with twisted pair; I might notice some performance
improvement from having 100Mb/s media between the rooms. But then I
went to the swap meet and found a US$5 10BaseT hub with a BNC for the
coax. Replacing the hub in the living room was therefore cheaper than
running new cable, easier as well, and it fixed the problem. Very
cool, and 10Mb/s is fast enough to keep me from noticing.
-Frank McConnell
Does nobody use 10Mbps any more?
It's not cool. Everyone thinks they need 100Mbps at least, or
preferably Gigabit. The fact that their PCs mostly can't keep up with
that seems to be immaterial, as is the fact that their web connection
is hardly likey to keep up with the PC. On the other hand, many of our
students in residences love it -- it's 20 times what most of them get
from broadband at home. 
11 Jul
11 Jul
1:25 a.m.
On Thu, 8 Jul 2004, Teo Zenios wrote:
A 10Mb/sec hub is great if you just want to network a
few older machines
together and don't have allot of concurrent users. I still have one 3com hub
in a box on the shelf here somewhere. I switched to 10/100 because moving
ISO images was too slow, and once you started the network became very laggy
and slow (shared 10Mb/sec). Once you have more then one user , wanted
bi-directional ability, and have machines with HD's that can more then
saturate a 10mbs hub a 100Mb/sec switch is worth the effort of running cat5
wire. Unless your moving lots of mpegs around the network Gigabit ethernet
is a bit overkill these days.
My house has been wired with Cat5 since 1996 (when I moved in). And I
wired the house I rented before that with Cat5 as far back as 1995 (plus
Cat3 for the PBX ;)
However, mostly out of laziness and not much luck traditionally in getting
100Mbps hardware for free, I run 10Mbps. I lately added a WAP and will be
inserting a 100Mbps hub/router I acquired once I get some time :)
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8 Jul
8 Jul
2:17 p.m.
At 19:39 08/07/2004, Pete Turnbull wrote:
true enough .. it's not usually the local network that causes the slow
downs.. we used to put in 10Mbps hubs at some customer remote sites,
because all traffic ended up down a 64Kbs leased line or ADSL based VPN
(256K max uplink) so it made not a blind bit of difference what speed the
local LAN ran at.
I don't want to see this stuff on Ebay. If it was
going to make money,
I'd put it in the Christmas fund, or give the equipment to the local
computer recycling project. The reason there are no PCs or other
common items is that they're going to an African charity project.
I did actually think at the time that were it to fetch anything, I'd donate
most of the cash back to some worthy cause, given the source of the parts,
however since they wouldn't, I neglected to mention that!
I don't
need them myself, as I've already got spare 10Mbps hubs, a
terminal
server and a couple of terminals I don't use
[yet]..)
Does nobody use 10Mbps any more?
It's not cool. Everyone thinks they need 100Mbps at least, or
preferably Gigabit. The fact that their PCs mostly can't keep up with
that seems to be immaterial, as is the fact that their web connection
is hardly likey to keep up with the PC. On the other hand, many of our
students in residences love it -- it's 20 times what most of them get
from broadband at home.
2.5Mbps here .. (2M + 512K) :-)
Rob
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