27 Nov
1999
27 Nov
'99
5:48 a.m.
Slashdot has a link to an MSNBC story about the Russians restarting reactor
#3 at the Chernobyl plant in the Ukraine. They need the power but can't
afford a new reactor.
Sounds like a fun place to work, eh? ^_^
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27 Nov
27 Nov
9:51 a.m.
At 11:48 AM 11/27/99 -0800, Daniel A. Seagraves wrote:
Slashdot has a link to an MSNBC story about the
Russians restarting reactor
#3 at the Chernobyl plant in the Ukraine. They need the power but can't
afford a new reactor.
The reactor that had the fire was (and is) irretrievable. The new reactor
was one that was in process to go on line before the disaster and has never
been run.
There are several interesting reports about Chernobyl but perhaps the one
most sobering is that during its time of operation, _including_ the
meltdown, it has generated more power and killed fewer people and done less
harm to the environment than the coal fired plants in Michigan. The damage
those plants have done include dumping so much sulphur and other chemicals
into the air that they have killed vast tracts of forest and made some
lakes and streams completely devoid of life. If you add the number of
people killed in coal mining accidents and getting black lung disease the
numbers are even worse.
Consider it flame bait if you like, but if you run the numbers this country
would be a lot better off (fewer people killed generating the power, fewer
natural resources destroyed) with a nuclear power infrastructure than it
would be with a fossil fuel powered one.
--Chuck
10 a.m.
[Nukes are safer]
True. Nukes are safer and better in the long run that fossil fuel stuff.
It's just the unknowns of nukes and the complexity that boggles people.
Imagine me in charge of a nuke plant, with my attitdue about stuff.
(Namely, if it don't work, fuck with it until it does)
I bet that would cause some trouble. (What happens if I open this valve?
let's find out... *BOOM*
Could be worse. Imagine a microsoftie there. ^_^
(Meltdown imminent? This don't sound good. Reboot it!)
Ignore my typoes and incoherency here. ^_^ I'm in a funny mood today.
(The russians: "Okay, is #3 ready? Yes? Okay, boot that sucker!"
[Image: Windows CE logo] "Where do you want to glow today?")
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10:39 a.m.
Chuck McManis wrote:
Consider it flame bait if you like, but if you run the numbers this country
would be a lot better off (fewer people killed generating the power, fewer
natural resources destroyed) with a nuclear power infrastructure than it
would be with a fossil fuel powered one.
--Chuck
and, if you consider the possibility of catastrophic climate
change from global warming resulting by past and
present burning (the blame falling disproportionately on the US),
the number of casualties might be in the billions, due to
starvation. I know, nobody really knows what _could_ happen,
but nobody can deny that the possibility exists either. Well,
maybe some people deny it, but by and large they are linked to
the oil companies.
To keep this on topic, I have been comparing daily electric load
profiles from 40, 30 and 20 years ago to the present ones.
Starting 40 years ago, profiles became bimodal (one peak at
11:00 AM, another (larger) around 5-6:00PM in winter, or 8:00PM
in the summer). So, turning the lights
on at home after work (and for preparing dinner) meant the
largest load. This second peak slowly evolved to an earlier
hour (2:00PM-4:00PM), while the earlier peak grew to a size
comparable to that of the second one in winter, and only slightly
smaller in the summer. Only two factors at work here: computers
and air conditioning.
--
Carlos Murillo-Sanchez email: cem14(a)cornell.edu
428 Phillips Hall, Electrical Engineering Department
Cornell University, Ithaca, NY 14853
9:52 p.m.
At 03:51 PM 11/27/1999 -0800, you wrote:
At 11:48 AM 11/27/99 -0800, Daniel A. Seagraves wrote:
Here in Windsor, Ontario, we have some of the worst air in Canada. Most of
it comes from Michigan and Ohio on the westerly winds.
To add to our fun we have Fermi One, which almost went up, and Fermi Two,
which breaks down every month or so, just across the south end of the
Detroit River.
Cheers
Charlie Fox
Charles E. Fox
Chas E. Fox Video Productions
793 Argyle Rd. Windsor N8Y 3J8 Ont. Canada
email foxvideo(a)wincom.net Homepage http://www.wincom.net/foxvideo
Slashdot has a link to an MSNBC story about the
Russians restarting reactor
#3 at the Chernobyl plant in the Ukraine. They need the power but can't
afford a new reactor.
The reactor that had the fire was (and is) irretrievable. The new reactor
was one that was in process to go on line before the disaster and has never
been run.
There are several interesting reports about Chernobyl but perhaps the one
most sobering is that during its time of operation, _including_ the
meltdown, it has generated more power and killed fewer people and done less
harm to the environment than the coal fired plants in Michigan. The damage
those plants have done include dumping so much sulphur and other chemicals
into the air that they have killed vast tracts of forest and made some
lakes and streams completely devoid of life. If you add the number of
people killed in coal mining accidents and getting black lung disease the
numbers are even worse.
Consider it flame bait if you like, but if you run the numbers this country
would be a lot better off (fewer people killed generating the power, fewer
natural resources destroyed) with a nuclear power infrastructure than it
would be with a fossil fuel powered one.
--Chuck 
30 Nov
30 Nov
1:28 p.m.
Rumor has it that Charles E. Fox may have mentioned these words:
Here in Windsor, Ontario, we have some of the worst
air in Canada. Most of
it comes from Michigan and Ohio on the westerly winds.
To add to our fun we have Fermi One, which almost went up, and Fermi Two,
which breaks down every month or so, just across the south end of the
Detroit River.
Here in Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan we have the worst air in the U.P. of
Michigan. It all comes from Sault, Ontario thanks to Algoma Steel,
Abitibi-Price Paper & the northern winds to bring it all across.
Thankfully, we've had hydro-based power (water-spun turbines - great for
alleving those Y2K fears... ;-) since before 1900 - The Canadians finally
built a hydro plant a few years ago, too.
I'm not saying Detroit doesn't suck - IMHO it does... Bad. Really bad.
*Really, Really Bad.* And I like Windsor - been there a couple times, and
it seemed really nice.
And hopefully, *finally* those cold, northern winds that bring us so much
snow, might finally blow a Vax or two across the border to me... I'm still
waiting to see if there might be a few to snag.
Just wanted to let you know that not *all* Michiganders are stinkin',
pollutin' bastards... ;-)
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
P.S. If most parts of Canada are powered by non-hydro-based means, why do
you call it a "hydro bill?" I always wondered that...
--
Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers
Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig.
If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead
disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.
10:32 p.m.
At 10:28 PM 11/30/1999 -0500, you wrote:
Here in Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan we have the worst air in the U.P. of
Michigan. It all comes from Sault, Ontario thanks to Algoma Steel,
Abitibi-Price Paper & the northern winds to bring it all across.
Thankfully, we've had hydro-based power (water-spun turbines - great for
alleving those Y2K fears... ;-) since before 1900 - The Canadians finally
built a hydro plant a few years ago, too.
I'm not saying Detroit doesn't suck - IMHO it does... Bad. Really bad.
*Really, Really Bad.* And I like Windsor - been there a couple times, and
it seemed really nice.
And hopefully, *finally* those cold, northern winds that bring us so much
snow, might finally blow a Vax or two across the border to me... I'm still
waiting to see if there might be a few to snag.
Just wanted to let you know that not *all* Michiganders are stinkin',
pollutin' bastards... ;-)
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
P.S. If most parts of Canada are powered by non-hydro-based means, why do
you call it a "hydro bill?" I always wondered that...
--
Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers
Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig.
If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead
disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.
Right on, Roger. I wasn't trying to pin all the blame on you Yanks. We
have a big smokestack, I think at Sudbury, that puffs polution from the
nickel mine all the way to New York State.
I think how the "hydro" thing got started was the use of power generators
at Niagara Falls to supply most of Ontario with 25 cycle AC. (They didn't
use much in those days- one 25 watt lamp in every room, no tv.)
The smartest thing our government ever spent money on was to convert the
whole mess over to 60 Hz after the war. Can you picture us trying to buy 25
Hz computers?
Cheers
Charlie Fox
Charles E. Fox
Chas E. Fox Video Productions
793 Argyle Rd. Windsor N8Y 3J8 Ont. Canada
email foxvideo(a)wincom.net Homepage http://www.wincom.net/foxvideo
27 Nov
27 Nov
11 a.m.
At 11:48 AM 11/27/99 -0800, you wrote:
Slashdot has a link to an MSNBC story about the Russians restarting reactor
#3 at the Chernobyl plant in the Ukraine. They need the power but can't
afford a new reactor.
Sounds like a fun place to work, eh? ^_^
Hmmm. Gives the term "life-long employment" a new meaning doesn't it? :-/
Joe
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