15 Apr
1998
15 Apr
'98
9:06 a.m.
Hotze wrote:
Yeah, that's why all the newest Soviet fighters and bombers
used vacuum tubes
even into the early 1990's. I'm sure they invented this and
Not so fast, there are very good reasons to use tubes instead of solid
state on certain types of military electronics. Look up "EMP" sometime.
This was a deliberate design decision on the part of soviet avionics
designers. They do have workable solid state devices. In fact, the
later Sukhoi and MiG models had very sophisticated interlocking radars
at the squadron level, a capability US forces do not have. Yes, overall
the US made much better avionics and electronics in general, but when it
was important enough the soviets could produce very good military
equipment. Off topic, but I much prefer Russian assault rifles to US
ones. I keep an AK47 at home, I would not trust an M16. I wouldn't
care to run a business with a Russian built computer though...
Jack Peacock
15 Apr
15 Apr
10:41 a.m.
New subject: The PC's Soviet? (off-topic)
At 11:06 4/15/98 -0700, you wrote:
....They do have workable solid state devices. In
fact, the
later Sukhoi and MiG models had very sophisticated interlocking radars
at the squadron level, a capability US forces do not have....
Sukhoi and MiG both kick(ed) butt merrily, at times. This is one reason
why, a few years ago, there was a serious proposal for Sukhoi and Kawasaki
to collaborate on producing a small (business-class) supersonic transport.
OTOH, I'm sure we all remember the stories about Egyptian pilots in the Six
Day War, flying full-power low-level dashes in MiG-23s and melting the
after turbine in the engines...._truly_ inconvenient....
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4:46 p.m.
Jack Peacock wrote:
EMP - ElectroMagnetic Pulses. This is the electrical wave that is the result
of a nuclear detonation. Vacuum tubes aren't the only way to "harden" a
curcuit against this. The usual and practical way to protect against this is
to armor the electronics and all connecting cables. I worked with the Short
range Attack Missile (SRAM), Air Launched Cruise Missile (ALCM), Sea
Launched Cruise Missile (SLCM) and Advanced Cruise Missile (ACM) for many
years. I'm all too familiar with using a megohm meter to check resistance
between the body and covers of equipment made to protect against EMP. Vacuum
tubes are good at a distance.
Hotze wrote:
Yeah, that's why all the newest Soviet fighters and bombers
used vacuum tubes
even into the early 1990's. I'm sure they invented this and
Not so fast, there are very good reasons to use tubes instead of solid
state on certain types of military electronics. Look up "EMP" sometime.
This was a deliberate design decision on the part of
soviet avionics
designers. They do have workable solid state devices. In fact, the
later Sukhoi and MiG models had very sophisticated interlocking radars
at the squadron level, a capability US forces do not have. Yes, overall
the US made much better avionics and electronics in general, but when it
was important enough the soviets could produce very good military
equipment.
Stress the word "later", much later. Those planes came about way too late
and were still heavy iron rocks. Well made but probably too well made as
they stress cracked, broke up, etc in the middle of when it counted. Their
irfrared missiles could be fooled into following a flare dropped from a
fighter, something the US Sidewinder has fixed since 1977 using upgraded
electronics and an argon cooler.
Off topic, but I much prefer Russian assault rifles
to US
ones. I keep an AK47 at home, I would not trust an M16.
Many vets of Vietnam can tell you what they think of the 16 as well. I had
to qualify with them yearly and I'm not sure if I'd trust my life to either
one. The 47 is a much better built weapon but it still has it's flaws. The
sources for the ammunition, particularly those with corrosive primers, leave
a bit to be desired when having to depend on the unit to protect your life.
I wouldn't care to run a business with a Russian
built computer though...
I'm starting to wonder about Taiwan made as well....
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5:50 p.m.
New subject: off topic: Soviet "Quality"? RE: The PC's Soviet?
At 11:06 AM 4/15/98 -0700, you wrote:
Whoa!!! Where have you been for the last 15 years? I worked as a RADAR
tech in the USAF as well as working on various guidance systems for a
*MAJOR* US defense contractor and the US DOES HAVE linking RADAR systems
and has had for a looonnnggg time. We have in in ALL aircraft, also in
tanks and other armored vehicles and even in some man portable units.
Frankly, we could have had RADAR linking much sooner but we didn't need it
since we had AWACS and it's predessor the EC-121.
Yes, overall
Hotze wrote:
Yeah, that's why all the newest Soviet fighters and bombers
used vacuum tubes
even into the early 1990's. I'm sure they invented this and
Not so fast, there are very good reasons to use tubes instead of solid
state on certain types of military electronics. Look up "EMP" sometime.
This was a deliberate design decision on the part of soviet avionics
designers. They do have workable solid state devices. In fact, the
later Sukhoi and MiG models had very sophisticated interlocking radars
at the squadron level, a capability US forces do not have. the US made much better avionics and electronics in
general, but when it
was important enough the soviets could produce very good military
equipment.
Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! When was the last
time you looked at a piece of Russian military hardware????????? It's very
crude!!! Try interchanging a few parts in ANY of the AK-47s. Nothing is
standard, it was all hand fitted to get it to even work! Even their best
produced guns have rough machining marks and flashing all over them.
Their best military equipment is poor even when compared to our so called
"Saturday Night Specials". Stalin used to say that "Quantity had it's
own
Quality". He was specificly referring to their poorly built weapons.
Off topic, but I much prefer Russian assault rifles to US
ones. I keep an AK47 at home, I would not trust an
M16.
I have several of both, along with H&K, Daewoo, FAL and others. Yeah,
the AK is reliable but it's accuracy is pathetic! The H&K is the most
reliable IMHO, but overall I'd pick any of them over an AK!
My $.02 worth.
Joe
I wouldn't
care to run a business with a Russian built computer
though...
Jack Peacock
7:22 p.m.
New subject: off topic: Soviet "Quality"? RE: The PC's Soviet?
Joe wrote:
Whoa!!! Where have you been for the last 15 years?
I worked as a RADAR
tech in the USAF as well as working on various guidance systems for a
*MAJOR* US defense contractor and the US DOES HAVE linking RADAR systems
and has had for a looonnnggg time. We have in in ALL aircraft, also in
tanks and other armored vehicles and even in some man portable units.
Frankly, we could have had RADAR linking much sooner but we didn't need it
since we had AWACS and it's predessor the EC-121.
Yup.m I thought that maybe I was the only one here that saw it that way.
Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!
When was the last
time you looked at a piece of Russian military hardware????????? It's very
crude!!! Try interchanging a few parts in ANY of the AK-47s. Nothing is
standard, it was all hand fitted to get it to even work! Even their best
produced guns have rough machining marks and flashing all over them.
Their best military equipment is poor even when compared to our so called
"Saturday Night Specials". Stalin used to say that "Quantity had it's
own
Quality". He was specificly referring to their poorly built weapons.
I second the
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Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991
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