Hello fellow hams and others, Besides having a ham licence, I also had a First Class Radiotelephone, until the FCC deregulated that as well back in 1985. Now it is just a General Radiotelephone licence, which is required only in a handful of circumstances. And then try to get one today!! The exam is given under a similar structure as the ham licence VEC program, but not the same. And it costs $100+ for an attempt. It's too bad the FCC ran short of money and had to curtail a lot of its activities. Now I just call then the Gettysburg Address. Gary Hildebrand